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THE MEMORABLE THOUGHTS OF SOCRATES.

BY XENOPHON.

TRANSLATED BY EDWARD BYSSHE.

CASSELL & COMPANY, Limited:
LONDON, PARIS, NEW YORK & MELBOURNE.
1888.

CASSELL & COMPANY, Limited:
LONDON, PARIS, NEW YORK & MELBOURNE.
1888.

INTRODUCTION.

This translation of Xenophon’s “Memorabilia of Socrates” was first published in 1712, and is here printed from the revised edition of 1722. Its author was Edward Bysshe, who had produced in 1702 “The Art of English Poetry,” a well-known work that was near its fifth edition when its author published his translation of the “Memorabilia.” This was a translation that remained in good repute. There was another edition of it in 1758. Bysshe translated the title of the book into “The Memorable Things of Socrates.” I have changed “Things” into “Thoughts,” for whether they be sayings or doings, the words and deeds of a wise man are alike expressions of his thought.

This translation of Xenophon’s “Memorabilia of Socrates” was first published in 1712 and is printed here from the revised edition of 1722. Its author was Edward Bysshe, who released “The Art of English Poetry” in 1702, a well-known work that was close to its fifth edition when he published his translation of the “Memorabilia.” This translation maintained a solid reputation. Another edition came out in 1758. Bysshe translated the title of the book as “The Memorable Things of Socrates.” I’ve changed “Things” to “Thoughts,” because whether they are sayings or actions, the words and deeds of a wise person are both expressions of their thought.

Xenophon is said to have been, when young, a pupil of Socrates. Two authorities have recorded that in the flight from the battle of Delium in the year b.c. 424, when Xenophon fell from his horse, Socrates picked him up and carried him on his back for a considerable distance. The time of Xenophon’s death is not known, but he was alive sixty-seven years after the battle of Delium.

Xenophon is said to have been a student of Socrates when he was young. Two sources have noted that during the retreat from the battle of Delium in the year B.C. 424, when Xenophon fell off his horse, Socrates picked him up and carried him on his back for a long distance. The exact time of Xenophon’s death is unknown, but he was alive sixty-seven years after the battle of Delium.

When Cyrus the Younger was preparing war against his brother Artaxerxes Mnemon, King of Persia, Xenophon went with him. After the death of Cyrus on the plains of Cunaxa, the barbarian auxiliaries fled, and the Greeks were left to return as they could from the far region between the Tigris and Euphrates. Xenophon had to take part in the conduct of the retreat, and tells the story of it in his “Anabasis,” a history of the expedition of the younger Cyrus and of the retreat of the Greeks. His return into Greece was in the year of the death of Socrates, b.c. 399, but his association was now with the Spartans, with whom he fought, b.c. 394, at Coroneia. Afterwards he settled, and lived for about twenty years, at Scillus in Eleia with his wife and children. At Scillus he wrote probably his “Anabasis” and some other of his books. At last he was driven out by the Eleans. In the battle of Mantineia the Spartans and Athenians fought as allies, and Xenophon’s two sons were in the battle; he had sent them to Athens as fellow-combatants from Sparta. His banishment from Athens was repealed by change of times, but it does not appear that he returned to Athens. He is said to have lived, and perhaps died, at Corinth, after he had been driven from his home at Scillus.

When Cyrus the Younger was getting ready for war against his brother Artaxerxes Mnemon, the King of Persia, Xenophon joined him. After Cyrus was killed on the plains of Cunaxa, the barbarian allies fled, leaving the Greeks to find their way back from the distant area between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. Xenophon had to help lead the retreat and recounts the story in his “Anabasis,” a history of the younger Cyrus's expedition and the Greeks' retreat. He returned to Greece in the year Socrates died, 399 B.C., but by then he was associated with the Spartans, with whom he fought at Coroneia in 394 B.C. Later, he settled in Scillus in Eleia, where he lived for about twenty years with his wife and children. At Scillus, he likely wrote “Anabasis” and some of his other works. Eventually, he was expelled by the Eleans. During the battle of Mantineia, the Spartans and Athenians fought as allies, and both of Xenophon’s sons were present in the battle; he had sent them from Sparta to Athens as fellow warriors. His banishment from Athens was lifted due to changing times, but it seems he never returned to Athens. He is said to have lived, and possibly died, in Corinth after being expelled from his home in Scillus.

Xenophon was a philosophic man of action. He could make his value felt in a council of war, take part in battle—one of his books is on the duties of a commander of cavalry—and show himself good sportsman in the hunting-field. He wrote a book upon the horse; a treatise also upon dogs and hunting. He believed in God, thought earnestly about social and political duties, and preferred Spartan institutions to those of Athens. He wrote a life of his friend Agesilaus II., King of Sparta. He found exercise for his energetic mind in writing many books. In writing he was clear and to the point; his practical mind made his work interesting. His “Anabasis” is a true story as delightful as a fiction; his “Cyropædia” is a fiction full of truths. He wrote “Hellenica,” that carried on the history of Greece from the point at which Thucydides closed his history until the battle of Mantineia. He wrote a dialogue between Hiero and Simonides upon the position of a king, and dealt with the administration of the little realm of a man’s household in his “Œconomicus,” a dialogue between Socrates and Critobulus, which includes the praise of agriculture. He wrote also, like Plato, a symposium, in which philosophers over their wine reason of love and friendship, and he paints the character of Socrates.

Xenophon was a thoughtful man of action. He made his presence known in war councils, participated in battles—one of his books is about the responsibilities of a cavalry commander—and proved himself to be a good sport in hunting. He wrote a book about horses and a treatise on dogs and hunting. He believed in God, seriously contemplated social and political responsibilities, and preferred Spartan institutions over those of Athens. He wrote a biography of his friend Agesilaus II, King of Sparta. He exercised his energetic mind by writing many books. His writing was clear and straightforward; his practical approach made his work engaging. His “Anabasis” is a true story as enjoyable as fiction; his “Cyropædia” is a fictional work packed with truths. He also wrote “Hellenica,” which continued the history of Greece from where Thucydides left off until the battle of Mantineia. He penned a dialogue between Hiero and Simonides about the role of a king and discussed the management of a household in his “Œconomicus,” a dialogue between Socrates and Critobulus, which includes praise for agriculture. He also wrote a symposium, similar to Plato's, where philosophers discuss love and friendship over wine, and he portrays the character of Socrates.

But his best memorial of his old guide, philosopher, and friend is this work, in which Xenophon brought together in simple and direct form the views of life that had been made clear to himself by the teaching of Socrates. Xenophon is throughout opposing a plain tale to the false accusations against Socrates. He does not idealise, but he feels strongly, and he shows clearly the worth of the wisdom that touches at every point the actual conduct of the lives of men.

But his best tribute to his old guide, philosopher, and friend is this work, in which Xenophon presents in a straightforward and accessible way the life lessons that Socrates had taught him. Throughout, Xenophon counters the false accusations against Socrates with a clear narrative. He doesn’t glamorize, but he feels deeply, and he clearly demonstrates the value of wisdom that influences every aspect of people's lives.

H. M.

H. M.

BOOK I.

CHAPTER I. SOCRATES NOT A CONTEMNER OF THE GODS OF HIS COUNTRY, NOR AN INTRODUCER OF NEW ONES.

I have often wondered by what show of argument the accusers of Socrates could persuade the Athenians he had forfeited his life to the State. For though the crimes laid unto his charge were indeed great—“That he did not acknowledge the gods of the Republic; that he introduced new ones”—and, farther, “had debauched the youth;” yet none of these could, in the least, be proved against him.

I have often wondered how the accusers of Socrates managed to convince the Athenians that he deserved to die for his beliefs. Even though the charges against him were serious—"That he didn’t acknowledge the gods of the Republic; that he introduced new ones"—and also "had corrupted the youth," none of these accusations could actually be proven.

For, as to the first, “That he did not worship the deities which the Republic adored,” how could this be made out against him, since, instead of paying no homage to the gods of his country, he was frequently seen to assist in sacrificing to them, both in his own family and in the public temples?—perpetually worshipping them in the most public, solemn, and religious manner.

For the first point, “That he did not worship the gods that the Republic venerated,” how could this be held against him when, instead of ignoring the gods of his country, he was often seen participating in sacrifices for them, both in his own home and in public temples?—constantly worshipping them in the most public, solemn, and respectful way.

What, in my opinion, gave his accusers a specious pretext for alleging against him that he introduced new deities was this—that he had frequently declared in public he had received counsel from a divine voice, which he called his Demon. But this was no proof at all of the matter. All that Socrates advanced about his demon was no more than what is daily advanced by those who believe in and practise divination; and if Socrates, because he said he received intelligence from his genius, must be accused of introducing new divinities, so also must they; for is it not certain that those who believe in divination, and practise that belief, do observe the flight of birds, consult the entrails of victims, and remark even unexpected words and accidental occurrences? But they do not, therefore, believe that either the birds whose flight they observe or the persons they meet accidentally know either their good or ill fortune—neither did Socrates—they only believe that the gods make use of these things to presage the future; and such, too, was the belief of Socrates. The vulgar, indeed, imagine it to be the very birds and things which present themselves to them that excite them to what is good for them, or make them avoid what may hurt them; but, as for Socrates, he freely owned that a demon was his monitor; and he frequently told his friends beforehand what they should do, or not do, according to the instructions he had received from his demon; and they who believed him, and followed his advice, always found advantage by it; as, on the contrary, they who neglected his admonitions, never failed to repent their incredulity. Now, it cannot be denied but that he ought to have taken care not to pass with his friends either for a liar or a visionary; and yet how could he avoid incurring that censure if the events had not justified the truth of the things he pretended were revealed to him? It is, therefore, manifest that he would not have spoken of things to come if he had not believed he said true; but how could he believe he said true, unless he believed that the gods, who alone ought to be trusted for the knowledge of things to come, gave him notice of them? and, if he believed they did so, how can it be said that he acknowledged no gods?

What I think gave his accusers a weak excuse to claim he introduced new gods was that he often stated in public that he was guided by a divine voice, which he referred to as his Demon. But this was no evidence at all. Everything Socrates said about his demon was no different than what people who believe in divination say every day; if Socrates is accused of bringing in new deities just because he claimed to receive guidance from his inner voice, then so should they. Isn’t it true that those who believe in divination and practice it observe the flight of birds, examine the entrails of sacrifices, and pay attention to random words and unexpected events? However, they don’t think that the birds they observe or the people they meet by chance know their fortunes—neither did Socrates. They believe that the gods use these things to foretell the future, and so did Socrates. Common people think that the very birds and signs in front of them guide them toward what is good or make them avoid harm; but Socrates openly admitted that his demon guided him. He often informed his friends in advance about what they should or shouldn’t do based on the guidance he received from his demon. Those who believed him and followed his advice always benefited, whereas those who ignored his warnings regretted it. Now, it’s clear that he should have tried to ensure that his friends didn’t see him as a liar or a dreamer; yet how could he avoid that criticism if the outcomes hadn’t validated the truths he claimed were revealed to him? It’s obvious that he wouldn’t have talked about future events if he didn’t believe he was being truthful; but how could he believe he was saying the truth unless he thought the gods—the only ones who should be trusted for knowledge about the future—were informing him? And if he believed they were, how can it be said that he didn’t acknowledge any gods?

He likewise advised his friends to do, in the best manner they could, the things that of necessity they were to do; but, as to those whose events were doubtful, he sent them to the oracles to know whether they should engage in them or not. And he thought that they who design to govern with success their families or whole cities had great need of receiving instructions by the help of divinations; for though he indeed held that every man may make choice of the condition of life in which he desires to live, and that, by his industry, he may render himself excellent in it, whether he apply himself to architecture or to agriculture, whether he throw himself into politics or economy, whether he engage himself in the public revenues or in the army, yet that in all these things the gods have reserved to themselves the most important events, into which men of themselves can in no wise penetrate. Thus he who makes a fine plantation of trees, knows not who shall gather the fruit; he who builds a house cannot tell who shall inhabit it; a general is not certain that he shall be successful in his command, nor a Minister of State in his ministry; he who marries a beautiful woman in hopes of being happy with her knows not but that even she herself may be the cause of all his uneasinesses; and he who enters into a grand alliance is uncertain whether they with whom he allies himself will not at length be the cause of his ruin. This made him frequently say that it is a great folly to imagine there is not a Divine Providence that presides over these things, and that they can in the least depend on human prudence. He likewise held it to be a weakness to importune the gods with questions which we may resolve ourselves; as if we should ask them whether it be better to take a coachman who knows how to drive than one who knows nothing of the matter? whether it be more eligible to take an experienced pilot than one that is ignorant? In a word, he counted it a kind of impiety to consult the oracles concerning what might be numbered or weighed, because we ought to learn the things which the gods have been pleased to capacitate us to know; but that we ought to have recourse to the oracles to be instructed in those that surpass our knowledge, because the gods are wont to discover them to such men as have rendered them propitious to themselves.

He also advised his friends to do the best they could with the necessary tasks they needed to complete; however, for those tasks with uncertain outcomes, he suggested they consult the oracles to find out if they should proceed. He believed that anyone aiming to successfully govern their families or entire cities needed guidance through divination. While he acknowledged that each person can choose the kind of life they want to live and can excel in it through effort, whether in architecture, agriculture, politics, economics, public finances, or the military, he also believed that the gods reserved the most significant events, which humans cannot fully understand or predict. For instance, someone who develops a beautiful orchard doesn’t know who will eventually pick the fruit; a person who builds a house can’t foresee who will live in it; a general can’t guarantee success in their command, nor can a government official be assured of effectiveness in their role; a man who marries a lovely woman hoping for happiness might find that she brings him misfortune; and an individual who enters into a powerful alliance can never be sure that those allies won’t lead to his downfall. This made him often claim that it's foolish to think there isn't a Divine Providence overseeing these matters and that one can rely solely on human wisdom. He also considered it a weakness to burden the gods with questions we can answer ourselves, like whether it's better to choose a skilled driver over an inexperienced one or whether hiring an experienced pilot is wiser than choosing one who knows nothing. In short, he thought it was somewhat disrespectful to consult oracles about matters that can be counted or measured, as we should learn what the gods allow us to know, reserving oracle consultation for matters beyond our comprehension, since the gods tend to reveal these insights to those who have made them favorable.

Socrates stayed seldom at home. In the morning he went to the places appointed for walking and public exercises. He never failed to be at the hall, or courts of justice, at the usual hour of assembling there, and the rest of the day he was at the places where the greatest companies generally met. There it was that he discoursed for the most part, and whoever would hear him easily might; and yet no man ever observed the least impiety either in his actions or his words. Nor did he amuse himself to reason of the secrets of nature, or to search into the manner of the creation of what the sophists call the world, nor to dive into the cause of the motions of the celestial bodies. On the contrary, he exposed the folly of such as give themselves up to these contemplations; and he asked whether it was, after having acquired a perfect knowledge of human things, that they undertook to search into the divine, or if they thought themselves very wise in neglecting what concerned them to employ themselves in things above them? He was astonished likewise that they did not see it was impossible for men to comprehend anything of all those wonders, seeing they who have the reputation of being most knowing in them are of quite different opinions, and can agree no better than so many fools and madmen; for as some of these are not afraid of the most dangerous and frightful accidents, while others are in dread of what is not to be feared, so, too, among those philosophers, some are of opinion that there is no action but what may be done in public, nor word that may not freely be spoken before the whole world, while others, on the contrary, believe that we ought to avoid the conversation of men and keep in a perpetual solitude. Some have despised the temples and the altars, and have taught not to honour the gods, while others have been so superstitious as to worship wood, stones, and irrational creatures. And as to the knowledge of natural things, some have confessed but one only being; others have admitted an infinite number: some have believed that all things are in a perpetual motion; others that nothing moves: some have held the world to be full of continual generations and corruptions; others maintain that nothing is engendered or destroyed. He said besides that he should be glad to know of those persons whether they were in hopes one day to put in practice what they learned, as men who know an art may practise it when they please either for their own advantage or for the service of their friends; or whether they did imagine that, after they found out the causes of all things that happen, they should be able to cause winds and rains, and to dispose the times and seasons as they had occasion for them; or whether they contented themselves with the bare knowledge without expecting any farther advantage.

Socrates rarely stayed home. In the morning, he went to the designated places for walking and public exercises. He always made it to the hall or the courts of justice at the usual meeting time, and for the rest of the day, he was at the spots where large groups typically gathered. That’s where he mostly engaged in discussions, and anyone who wanted to hear him could easily do so; yet, no one ever saw the slightest hint of impiety in his actions or words. He didn’t entertain himself by speculating on the secrets of nature or trying to understand how the world was created, nor did he dive into the reasons behind the movements of celestial bodies. In fact, he exposed the foolishness of those who devoted themselves to such contemplations and asked whether they thought it wise to pursue the divine after gaining a complete understanding of human affairs, or if they considered themselves very wise for neglecting what was important in favor of things beyond their understanding. He was also astonished that they didn’t see it was impossible for humans to grasp any of those wonders, given that those who are reputed to be knowledgeable often hold completely different opinions and can’t agree any better than fools and madmen; for just as some of these thinkers aren’t afraid of the most dangerous and terrifying events, while others fear what truly isn’t frightening, the same applies among philosophers: some believe that every action should be public, and every word can be spoken openly, while others think we should avoid human conversation and live in constant solitude. Some have scorned temples and altars, teaching not to honor the gods, while others have been so superstitious that they worship wood, stones, and irrational creatures. Regarding knowledge of natural things, some acknowledge only one being; others accept an infinite number. Some believe everything is in constant motion; others claim nothing moves. Some assert the world is full of continuous birth and decay; others maintain that nothing is generated or destroyed. He also expressed a desire to know whether those individuals hoped to one day apply what they learned, like artists who can practice their craft whenever it benefits them or serves their friends; or whether they believed that after discovering the causes of everything that happens, they could control the winds and rains and manage the times and seasons as needed; or whether they were satisfied with mere knowledge without expecting any further benefit.

This was what he said of those who delight in such studies. As for his part, he meditated chiefly on what is useful and proper for man, and took delight to argue of piety and impiety, of honesty and dishonesty, of justice and injustice, of wisdom and folly, of courage and cowardice, of the State, and of the qualifications of a Minister of State, of the Government, and of those who are fit to govern; in short, he enlarged on the like subjects, which it becomes men of condition to know, and of which none but slaves should be ignorant.

This is what he said about those who enjoy such studies. As for him, he mainly focused on what is useful and proper for people. He liked to debate topics like piety and impiety, honesty and dishonesty, justice and injustice, wisdom and foolishness, bravery and cowardice, the State, the qualities needed in a Minister of State, the Government, and who should be in charge. In short, he elaborated on subjects that people of status should understand, while only slaves should be unaware of them.

It is not strange, perhaps, that the judges of Socrates mistook his opinion in things concerning which he did not explain himself; but I am surprised that they did not reflect on what he had said and done in the face of the whole world; for when he was one of the Senate, and had taken the usual oath exactly to observe the laws, being in his turn vested with the dignity of Epistate, he bravely withstood the populace, who, against all manner of reason, demanded that the nine captains, two of whom were Erasinides and Thrasilus, should be put to death, he would never give consent to this injustice, and was not daunted at the rage of the people, nor at the menaces of the men in power, choosing rather not to violate the oath he had taken than to yield to the violence of the multitude, and shelter himself from the vengeance of those who threatened him. To this purpose he said that the gods watch over men more attentively than the vulgar imagine; for they believe there are some things which the gods observe and others which they pass by unregarded; but he held that the gods observe all our actions and all our words, that they penetrate even into our most secret thoughts, that they are present at all our deliberations, and that they inspire us in all our affairs.

It’s not surprising, maybe, that the judges of Socrates misunderstood his views on matters he didn’t clarify; however, I am shocked that they didn’t consider what he had said and done in front of the whole world. When he was a member of the Senate and had taken the usual oath to uphold the laws, serving as Epistate, he boldly stood against the people, who, against all reason, demanded the execution of the nine captains, two of whom were Erasinides and Thrasilus. He refused to agree to this injustice and wasn’t intimidated by the crowd’s anger or the threats from those in power, choosing to honor the oath he had taken rather than give in to the mob's violence or protect himself from the wrath of those who threatened him. To this end, he stated that the gods pay more attention to humans than people commonly believe; they think there are some things the gods notice and others they ignore. But he believed that the gods observe all our actions and words, that they understand even our most private thoughts, that they are present in all our discussions, and that they inspire us in all our endeavors.

It is astonishing, therefore, to consider how the Athenians could suffer themselves to be persuaded that Socrates entertained any unworthy thoughts of the Deity; he who never let slip one single word against the respect due to the gods, nor was ever guilty of any action that savoured in the least of impiety; but who, on the contrary, has done and said things that could not proceed but from a mind truly pious, and that are sufficient to gain a man an eternal reputation of piety and virtue.

It is amazing, then, to think about how the Athenians could be convinced that Socrates held any disrespectful views about the gods; he who never uttered a single word against the reverence owed to the deities, and who was never guilty of any act that even slightly suggested impiety; but who, on the contrary, has done and said things that could only come from a genuinely devout mind, and that are enough to earn a person an everlasting reputation for piety and virtue.

CHAPTER II. SOCRATES NOT A DEBAUCHER OF YOUTH.

What surprises me yet more is, that some would believe that Socrates was a debaucher of young men! Socrates the most sober and most chaste of all men, who cheerfully supported both cold and heat; whom no inconvenience, no hardships, no labours could startle, and who had learned to wish for so little, that though he had scarce anything, he had always enough. Then how could he teach impiety, injustice, gluttony, impurity, and luxury? And so far was he from doing so, that he reclaimed many persons from those vices, inspiring them with the love of virtue, and putting them in hopes of coming to preferment in the world, provided they would take a little care of themselves. Yet he never promised any man to teach him to be virtuous; but as he made a public profession of virtue, he created in the minds of those who frequented him the hopes of becoming virtuous by his example.

What surprises me even more is that some people would think Socrates was a corrupter of young men! Socrates, the most sober and chaste of all men, who easily endured both cold and heat; who was unfazed by discomfort, hardship, or labor, and who had learned to want so little that even though he had almost nothing, he always had enough. So how could he teach impiety, injustice, gluttony, impurity, and luxury? In fact, he was so far from doing that he helped many people overcome those vices, inspiring them with a love for virtue and giving them hope of advancing in the world, as long as they took a little care of themselves. Yet he never promised anyone that he would teach them to be virtuous; rather, by publicly embodying virtue, he gave those who spent time with him the hope of becoming virtuous through his example.

He neglected not his own body, and praised not those that neglected theirs. In like manner, he blamed the custom of some who eat too much, and afterwards use violent exercises; but he approved of eating till nature be satisfied, and of a moderate exercise after it, believing that method to be an advantage to health, and proper to unbend and divert the mind. In his clothes he was neither nice nor costly; and what I say of his clothes ought likewise to be understood of his whole way of living. Never any of his friends became covetous in his conversation, and he reclaimed them from that sordid disposition, as well as from all others; for he would accept of no gratuity from any who desired to confer with him, and said that was the way to discover a noble and generous heart, and that they who take rewards betray a meanness of soul, and sell their own persons, because they impose on themselves a necessity of instructing those from whom they receive a salary. He wondered, likewise, why a man, who promises to teach virtue, should ask money; as if he believed not the greatest of all gain to consist in the acquisition of a good friend, or, as if he feared, that he who, by his means, should become virtuous, and be obliged to him for so great a benefit, would not be sufficiently grateful for it. Quite different from Socrates, who never boasted of any such thing, and who was most certain that all who heard him and received his maxims would love him for ever, and be capable of loving others also. After this, whosoever says that such a man debauched the youth, must at the same time say that the study of virtue is debauchery.

He took care of his own body and didn’t praise those who neglected theirs. Similarly, he criticized the habit of some people who overeat and then engage in intense exercise. He supported eating until satisfied and having moderate exercise afterward, believing this was beneficial for health and good for relieving and refreshing the mind. His clothes were neither fancy nor expensive, and what I mention about his clothes applies to his whole lifestyle. None of his friends became greedy in his company; he helped them move away from that kind of attitude and others as well. He wouldn’t accept any payment from those who wanted to talk to him, claiming it revealed a noble and generous character, and that those who accept rewards show a lack of integrity and sell themselves short, as they then feel obligated to teach those who pay them. He also wondered why someone who promises to teach virtue would ask for money, as if he didn’t believe that the greatest reward is gaining a good friend, or as if he feared that someone who became virtuous through his help wouldn’t be grateful enough. This was very different from Socrates, who never boasted about such things and was sure that everyone who listened to him and embraced his teachings would love him forever and be capable of loving others too. After this, anyone who claims such a man led the youth astray must also claim that the pursuit of virtue is a form of debauchery.

But the accuser says that Socrates taught to despise the constitution that was established in the Republic, because he affirmed it to be a folly to elect magistrates by lots; since if anyone had occasion for a pilot, a musician, or an architect, he would not trust to chance for any such person, though the faults that can be committed by men in such capacities are far from being of so great importance as those that are committed in the government of the Republic. He says, therefore, that such arguments insensibly accustom the youth to despise the laws, and render them more audacious and more violent. But, in my opinion, such as study the art of prudence, and who believe they shall be able to render themselves capable of giving good advice and counsel to their fellow-citizens, seldom become men of violent tempers; because they know that violence is hateful and full of danger; while, on the contrary, to win by persuasion is full of love and safety. For they, whom we have compelled, brood a secret hatred against us, believing we have done them wrong; but those whom we have taken the trouble to persuade continue our friends, believing we have done them a kindness. It is not, therefore, they who apply themselves to the study of prudence that become violent, but those brutish intractable tempers who have much power in their hands and but little judgment to manage it.—He farther said that when a man desires to carry anything by force, he must have many friends to assist him: as, on the contrary, he that can persuade has need of none but himself, and is not subject to shed blood; for who would rather choose to kill a man than to make use of his services, after having gained his friendship and goodwill by mildness?

But the accuser claims that Socrates taught people to disrespect the constitution established in the Republic because he argued that it was foolish to choose magistrates by random selection. He pointed out that if someone needed a pilot, a musician, or an architect, they wouldn’t leave it to chance to find the right person, even though the mistakes made by individuals in those roles are far less significant than those in government. He asserts that such arguments subtly train the youth to ignore the laws and make them more bold and aggressive. However, I believe that those who study the art of prudence, and who think they can provide good advice and counsel to their fellow citizens, rarely become hot-tempered; they understand that violence is undesirable and dangerous. In contrast, winning people over through persuasion is rooted in love and safety. Those we have forced into compliance harbor secret resentment toward us, convinced we have wronged them; but those we have taken the time to persuade remain our friends, believing we have done them a favor. Therefore, it’s not those who pursue the study of prudence that turn violent, but rather those with brutish, unmanageable tempers who wield a lot of power but lack the judgment to use it wisely. He also mentioned that when someone wants to achieve something through force, they need many friends to support them; whereas someone who can persuade only needs themselves and won’t have to resort to violence. After all, who would prefer to kill someone rather than use their services, having won their friendship and goodwill through kindness?

The accuser adds, in proof of the ill tendency of the doctrine of Socrates, that Critias and Alcibiades, who were two of his most intimate friends, were very bad men, and did much mischief to their country. For Critias was the most insatiable and cruel of all the thirty tyrants; and Alcibiades the most dissolute, the most insolent, and the most audacious citizen that ever the Republic had. As for me, I pretend not to justify them, and will only relate for what reason they frequented Socrates. They were men of an unbounded ambition, and who resolved, whatever it cost, to govern the State, and make themselves be talked of. They had heard that Socrates lived very content upon little or nothing, that he entirely commanded his passions, and that his reasonings were so persuasive that he drew all men to which side he pleased. Reflecting on this, and being of the temper we mentioned, can it be thought that they desired the acquaintance of Socrates, because they were in love with his way of life, and with his temperance, or because they believed that by conversing with him they should render themselves capable of reasoning aright, and of well-managing the public affairs? For my part, I believe that if the gods had proposed to them to live always like him, or to die immediately, they would rather have chosen a sudden death. And it is easy to judge this from their actions; for as soon as they thought themselves more capable than their companions, they forsook Socrates, whom they had frequented, only for the purpose I mentioned, and threw themselves wholly into business.

The accuser points out, to support his claim about the negative impact of Socrates' teachings, that Critias and Alcibiades, who were two of his closest friends, were both terrible men who caused a lot of harm to their country. Critias was the most greedy and brutal of all the thirty tyrants, and Alcibiades was the most corrupt, arrogant, and reckless citizen the Republic ever had. As for me, I don’t intend to defend them; I’ll just explain why they spent time with Socrates. They were driven by an insatiable ambition and were determined, no matter the cost, to control the state and make a name for themselves. They had heard that Socrates lived happily on very little, completely controlled his desires, and that his arguments were so compelling he could persuade anyone to his side. Considering this, and understanding their nature, can we really believe they sought out Socrates because they admired his lifestyle and self-discipline, or because they thought that by associating with him, they could learn to reason well and manage public affairs effectively? Personally, I think if the gods had given them the choice to live like him forever or to die right away, they would have chosen death. It’s easy to see this from their behavior; as soon as they felt more competent than their peers, they abandoned Socrates, whom they had only associated with for the reasons I mentioned, and plunged themselves completely into politics.

It may, perhaps, be objected that he ought not to have discoursed to his friends of things relating to the government of the State, till after he had taught them to live virtuously. I have nothing to say to this; but I observe that all who profess teaching do generally two things: they work in presence of their scholars, to show them how they ought to do, and they instruct them likewise by word of mouth. Now, in either of these two ways, no man ever taught to live well, like Socrates; for, in his whole life, he was an example of untainted probity; and in his discourses he spoke of virtue and of all the duties of man in a manner that made him admired of all his hearers. And I know too very well that Critias and Alcibiades lived very virtuously as long as they frequented him; not that they were afraid of him, but because they thought it most conducive to their designs to live so at that time.

It might be argued that he shouldn’t have talked to his friends about government issues until he had first taught them how to live virtuously. I don’t have much to say about that; however, I notice that anyone who claims to teach usually does two things: they demonstrate in front of their students how things should be done, and they also instruct them verbally. In both of these ways, no one ever taught the art of living well like Socrates did; throughout his entire life, he exemplified unwavering integrity, and in his discussions, he spoke about virtue and all human duties in a way that made him admired by all his listeners. I also know very well that Critias and Alcibiades lived quite virtuously while they were around him; not because they feared him, but because they believed it would benefit their goals to live that way at that time.

Many who pretend to philosophy will here object, that a virtuous person is always virtuous, and that when a man has once come to be good and temperate, he will never afterwards become wicked nor dissolute; because habitudes that can be acquired, when once they are so, can never more be effaced from the mind. But I am not of this opinion; for as they who use no bodily exercises are awkward and unwieldy in the actions of the body, so they who exercise not their minds are incapable of the noble actions of the mind, and have not courage enough to undertake anything worthy of praise, nor command enough over themselves to abstain from things that are forbid. For this reason, parents, though they be well enough assured of the good natural disposition of their children, fail not to forbid them the conversation of the vicious, because it is the ruin of worthy dispositions, whereas the conversation of good men is a continual meditation of virtue. Thus a poet says,

Many who pretend to be philosophers will argue that a virtuous person is always virtuous, and once someone becomes good and self-controlled, they will never turn wicked or immoral again; because habits that can be learned, once established, can't be removed from the mind. But I don't agree with this. Just like people who don’t engage in physical exercise become clumsy and awkward in their physical actions, those who don’t stimulate their minds aren’t capable of performing great mental actions. They lack the courage to take on anything truly commendable and don't have enough self-control to avoid forbidden things. For this reason, parents, even if they believe their children have a good natural disposition, still prevent them from associating with immoral people, as it can ruin their character. On the other hand, spending time with good people is like a constant reminder of virtue. As a poet says,

“By those whom we frequent, we’re ever led:
Example is a law by all obeyed.
Thus with the good, we are to good inclined,
But vicious company corrupts the mind.”

“By the people we hang out with, we’re always influenced:
Example is a rule everyone follows.
So with good people, we’re inclined to be good,
But bad company corrupts the mind.”

And another in like manner:

And another one like that:

“Virtue and vice in the same man are found,
And now they gain, and now they lose their ground.”

“Good and bad can exist in the same person,
And sometimes they win, and sometimes they lose their power.”

And, in my opinion, they are in the right: for when I consider that they who have learned verses by heart forget them unless they repeat them often, so I believe that they who neglect the reasonings of philosophers, insensibly lose the remembrance of them; and when they have let these excellent notions slip out of their minds, they at the same time lose the idea of the things that supported in the soul the love of temperance; and, having forgot those things, what wonder is it if at length they forget temperance likewise?

And, in my view, they’re absolutely right: when I think about how people who memorize verses forget them unless they practice regularly, I believe that those who ignore the insights of philosophers gradually lose their understanding of them. When they let those valuable ideas fade from their minds, they also lose the concepts that nurture the love of self-control. So, is it really surprising that eventually they forget self-control too?

I observe, besides, that men who abandon themselves to the debauches of wine or women find it more difficult to apply themselves to things that are profitable, and to abstain from what is hurtful. For many who live frugally before they fall in love become prodigal when that passion gets the mastery over them; insomuch that after having wasted their estates, they are reduced to gain their bread by methods they would have been ashamed of before. What hinders then, but that a man, who has been once temperate, should be so no longer, and that he who has led a good life at one time should not do so at another? I should think, therefore, that the being of all virtues, and chiefly of temperance, depends on the practice of them: for lust, that dwells in the same body with the soul, incites it continually to despise this virtue, and to find out the shortest way to gratify the senses only.

I notice that men who indulge in the excesses of alcohol or women find it harder to focus on what is beneficial and to stay away from what's harmful. Many who live simply before falling in love become extravagant when that passion takes control; so much so that after squandering their wealth, they are left to earn a living through means they would have once found shameful. What prevents a man who has been moderate from no longer being so, and why shouldn't someone who has lived well at one time do so again later? I believe that all virtues, especially temperance, rely on the practice of them; because desire, which coexists with the soul in the same body, constantly encourages it to disregard this virtue and to seek the quickest way to satisfy the senses.

Thus, whilst Alcibiades and Critias conversed with Socrates, they were able, with so great an assistance, to tame their inclinations; but after they had left him, Critias, being retired into Thessaly, ruined himself entirely in the company of some libertines; and Alcibiades, seeing himself courted by several women of quality, because of his beauty, and suffering himself to be corrupted by soothing flatterers, who made their court to him, in consideration of the credit he had in the city and with the allies; in a word, finding himself respected by all the Athenians, and that no man disputed the first rank with him, began to neglect himself, and acted like a great wrestler, who takes not the trouble to exercise himself, when he no longer finds an adversary who dares to contend with him.

Thus, while Alcibiades and Critias were talking with Socrates, they were able, with such great support, to control their desires; but after they left him, Critias, having gone to Thessaly, completely ruined himself in the company of some hedonists; and Alcibiades, noticing that several high-class women were pursuing him because of his looks, allowed himself to be corrupted by flattering admirers, who courted him for the influence he had in the city and among the allies. In short, feeling respected by all the Athenians and realizing that no one was competing with him for the top position, he started to neglect himself and acted like a champion wrestler who doesn’t bother to train when there’s no one around daring enough to challenge him.

If we would examine, therefore, all that has happened to them; if we consider how much the greatness of their birth, their interest, and their riches, had puffed up their minds; if we reflect on the ill company they fell into, and the many opportunities they had of debauching themselves, can we be surprised that, after they had been so long absent from Socrates, they arrived at length to that height of insolence to which they have been seen to arise? If they have been guilty of crimes, the accuser will load Socrates with them, and not allow him to be worthy of praise, for having kept them within the bounds of their duty during their youth, when, in all appearance, they would have been the most disorderly and least governable. This, however, is not the way we judge of other things; for whoever pretended that a musician, a player on the lute, or any other person that teaches, after he has made a good scholar, ought to be blamed for his growing more ignorant under the care of another master? If a young man gets an acquaintance that brings him into debauchery, ought his father to lay the blame on the first friends of his son among whom he always lived virtuously? Is it not true, on the contrary, that the more he finds that this last friendship proves destructive to him, the more reason he will have to praise his former acquaintance. And are the fathers themselves, who are daily with their children, guilty of their faults, if they give them no ill example? Thus they ought to have judged of Socrates; if he led an ill life, it was reasonable to esteem him vicious; but if a good, was it just to accuse him of crimes of which he was innocent?

If we examine everything that has happened to them; if we think about how much their noble birth, wealth, and status inflated their egos; if we consider the bad company they fell in with and the many chances they had to indulge themselves, can we really be surprised that, after being away from Socrates for so long, they ended up as arrogant as we've seen? If they have committed crimes, the accuser will blame Socrates for them and won't give him credit for keeping them in check during their youth, when they seemed most unruly and difficult to control. However, we don't judge other situations this way; who would say that a musician, a lute player, or any teacher should be criticized for a student's growing ignorance after that student has moved on to another teacher? If a young person makes friends who lead him into bad behavior, should his father blame the first friends he had, who always influenced him positively? Isn't it true that the more damaging that last friendship is for him, the more reason he has to appreciate his former friends? And are the fathers who spend time with their children responsible for their wrongdoings if they set a good example? They should have judged Socrates in the same way; if he lived poorly, it would be reasonable to see him as bad; but if he lived well, was it fair to accuse him of crimes he didn't commit?

And yet he might have given his adversaries ground to accuse him, had he but approved, or seemed to approve those vices in others, from which he kept himself free: but Socrates abhorred vice, not only in himself, but in everyone besides. To prove which, I need only relate his conduct toward Critias, a man extremely addicted to debauchery. Socrates perceiving that this man had an unnatural passion for Euthydemus, and that the violence of it would precipitate him so far a length as to make him transgress the bounds of nature, shocked at his behaviour, he exerted his utmost strength of reason and argument to dissuade him from so wild a desire. And while the impetuosity of Critias’ passion seemed to scorn all check or control, and the modest rebuke of Socrates had been disregarded, the philosopher, out of an ardent zeal for virtue, broke out in such language, as at once declared his own strong inward sense of decency and order, and the monstrous shamefulness of Critias’ passion. Which severe but just reprimand of Socrates, it is thought, was the foundation of that grudge which he ever after bore him; for during the tyranny of the Thirty, of which Critias was one, when, together with Charicles, he had the care of the civil government of the city, he failed not to remember this affront, and, in revenge of it, made a law to forbid teaching the art of reasoning in Athens: and having nothing to reproach Socrates with in particular, he laboured to render him odious by aspersing him with the usual calumnies that are thrown on all philosophers: for I have never heard Socrates say that he taught this art, nor seen any man who ever heard him say so; but Critias had taken offence, and gave sufficient proofs of it: for after the Thirty had caused to be put to death a great number of the citizens, and even of the most eminent, and had let loose the reins to all sorts of violence and rapine, Socrates said in a certain place that he wondered very much that a man who keeps a herd of cattle, and by his ill conduct loses every day some of them, and suffers the others to fall away, would not own himself to be a very ill keeper of his herd; and that he should wonder yet more if a Minister of State, who lessens every day the number of his citizens, and makes the others more dissolute, was not ashamed of his ministry, and would not own himself to be an ill magistrate. This was reported to Critias and Charicles, who forthwith sent for Socrates, and showing him the law they had made, forbid him to discourse with the young men. Upon which Socrates asked them whether they would permit him to propose a question, that he might be informed of what he did not understand in this prohibition; and his request being granted, he spoke in this manner: “I am most ready to obey your laws; but that I may not transgress through ignorance, I desire to know of you, whether you condemn the art of reasoning, because you believe it consists in saying things well, or in saying them ill? If for the former reason, we must then, from henceforward, abstain from speaking as we ought; and if for the latter, it is plain that we ought to endeavour to speak well.” At these words Charicles flew into a passion, and said to him: “Since you pretend to be ignorant of things that are so easily known, we forbid you to speak to the young men in any manner whatever.” “It is enough,” answered Socrates; “but that I may not be in a perpetual uncertainty, pray prescribe to me, till what age men are young.” “Till they are capable of being members of the Senate,” said Charicles: “in a word, speak to no man under thirty years of age.” “How!” says Socrates, “if I would buy anything of a tradesman who is not thirty years old am I forbid to ask him the price of it?” “I mean not so,” answered Charicles: “but I am not surprised that you ask me this question, for it is your custom to ask many things that you know very well.” Socrates added: “And if a young man ask me in the street where Charicles lodges, or whether I know where Critias is, must I make him no answer?” “I mean not so neither,” answered Charicles. Here Critias, interrupting their discourse, said: “For the future, Socrates, you must have nothing to do with the city tradesmen, the shoemakers, masons, smiths, and other mechanics, whom you so often allege as examples of life; and who, I apprehend, are quite jaded with your discourses.” “I must then likewise,” replied Socrates, “omit the consequences I draw from those discourses; and have no more to do with justice, piety, and the other duties of a good man.” “Yes, yes,” said Charicles; “and I advise you to meddle no more with those that tend herds of oxen; otherwise take care you lose not your own.” And these last words made it appear that Critias and Charicles had taken offence at the discourse which Socrates had held against their government, when he compared them to a man that suffers his herd to fall to ruin.

And yet he could have given his enemies a reason to accuse him if he had approved, or even just seemed to approve, of the vices in others that he kept himself away from: but Socrates detested vice, not just in himself, but in everyone else as well. To prove this, I only need to share his behavior toward Critias, a man who was extremely indulgent in debauchery. Socrates saw that Critias had an unnatural passion for Euthydemus, and that this obsession would push him to cross the boundaries of nature. Shocked by his behavior, he used every ounce of his reasoning and argument to convince him to abandon such a reckless desire. While Critias’ passion seemed to ignore all restraint or correction, and Socrates’ gentle rebuke went unheeded, the philosopher, driven by a deep love for virtue, spoke in a way that revealed both his strong sense of decency and the appalling shamefulness of Critias’ obsession. This harsh yet fair reprimand from Socrates is believed to be the root of the resentment Critias held against him afterward; during the tyranny of the Thirty, of which Critias was a member, he didn’t forget this insult, and in retaliation, he made a law to ban the teaching of reasoning in Athens. With nothing specific to accuse Socrates of, he instead tried to tarnish his reputation by hurling the usual slanders at all philosophers: I have never heard Socrates claim that he taught this skill, nor have I met anyone who heard him say so; but Critias took offense and made it clear. After the Thirty executed many citizens, including some of the most distinguished, and unleashed all kinds of violence and looting, Socrates remarked somewhere that he found it very strange that a man who manages a herd of cattle, and by his poor management loses some of them daily while allowing the others to stray, wouldn’t admit he was a terrible keeper of his herd. He said he’d find it even stranger if a government official, who diminishes the number of his citizens every day and makes the others more reckless, wasn’t ashamed of his role and wouldn’t confess he was a bad magistrate. This was conveyed to Critias and Charicles, who immediately summoned Socrates and, showing him their law, forbade him from speaking with the young men. Socrates then asked them if they would allow him to pose a question so he could understand what he wasn’t getting from this prohibition. Once granted permission, he said: “I am fully willing to follow your laws; but so I don’t accidentally break them out of ignorance, I would like to ask you whether you condemn the art of reasoning because you think it involves saying things well or poorly? If it’s the first reason, then we must from now on avoid speaking as we should; and if it’s the second, then it’s clear we should strive to speak well.” At these words, Charicles got angry and said to him, “Since you pretend to be unaware of things that are so obvious, we forbid you from speaking to the young men in any way.” “That’s fine,” Socrates replied; “but so I’m not left in constant uncertainty, please tell me, until what age men are considered young.” “Until they can be members of the Senate,” Charicles replied: “in short, don’t speak to anyone under thirty years old.” “What?” Socrates asked, “If I want to buy something from a trader who isn’t thirty, must I refrain from asking him the price?” “That’s not what I mean,” Charicles answered: “but I’m not surprised you ask me this, as it’s your habit to inquire about many things you are well aware of.” Socrates added: “And if a young man asks me in the street where Charicles lives, or whether I know where Critias is, must I not answer him?” “I don’t mean that either,” Charicles responded. At this point, Critias interrupted their conversation, saying: “From now on, Socrates, you must avoid cities' tradesmen, the shoemakers, masons, blacksmiths, and other craftsmen, whom you frequently cite as life examples; I suspect they are quite weary of your discussions.” “I suppose that means,” Socrates replied, “I should also set aside the conclusions I draw from those discussions and have nothing more to do with justice, piety, and the other duties of a good person.” “Yes, yes,” Charicles said; “and I advise you to stop dealing with those who tend herds of oxen; otherwise, be careful not to lose your own.” These last words made it clear that Critias and Charicles were offended by Socrates’ comments about their government when he compared them to a man allowing his herd to fall into ruin.

Thus we see how Critias frequented Socrates, and what opinion they had of each other. I add, moreover, that we cannot learn anything of a man whom we do not like: therefore if Critias and Alcibiades made no great improvement with Socrates, it proceeded from this, that they never liked him. For at the very time that they conversed with him, they always rather courted the conversation of those who were employed in the public affairs, because they had no design but to govern.—The following conference of Alcibiades, in particular, which he had with Pericles, his governor—who was the chief man of the city, whilst he was yet under twenty years of age—concerning the nature of the laws, will confirm what I have now advanced.

So, we can see how Critias hung out with Socrates and what they thought of each other. I also want to point out that we can’t learn anything from someone we don’t like. So, if Critias and Alcibiades didn’t really improve with Socrates, it’s because they never liked him. During their conversations, they often preferred talking to people involved in public affairs because their only goal was to gain power. The following discussion between Alcibiades and Pericles, who was his mentor and the top leader of the city when Alcibiades was under twenty, about the nature of laws, will back up what I've just said.

“Pray,” says Alcibiades, “explain to me what the law is: for, as I hear men praised who observe the laws, I imagine that this praise could not be given to those who know not what the law is.” “It is easy to satisfy you,” answered Pericles: “the law is only what the people in a general assembly ordain, declaring what ought to be done, and what ought not to be done.” “And tell me,” added Alcibiades, “do they ordain to do what is good, or what is ill?” “Most certainly what is good.” Alcibiades pursued: “And how would you call what a small number of citizens should ordain, in states where the people is not the master, but all is ordered by the advice of a few persons, who possess the sovereignty?” “I would call whatever they ordain a law; for laws are nothing else but the ordinances of sovereigns.” “If a tyrant then ordain anything, will that be a law?” “Yes, it will,” said Pericles. “But what then is violence and injustice?” continued Alcibiades; “is it not when the strongest makes himself be obeyed by the weakest, not by consent, but by force only?” “In my opinion it is.” “It follows then,” says Alcibiades, “that ordinances made by a prince, without the consent of the citizens, will be absolutely unjust.” “I believe so,” said Pericles; “and cannot allow that the ordinances of a prince, when they are made without the consent of the people, should bear the name of laws.” “And what the chief citizens ordain, without procuring the consent of the greater number, is that likewise a violence?” “There is no question of it,” answered Pericles; “and in general, every ordinance made without the consent of those who are to obey it, is a violence rather than a law.” “And is what the populace decree, without the concurrence of the chiefs, to be counted a violence likewise, and not a law?” “No doubt it is,” said Pericles: “but when I was of your age, I could resolve all these difficulties, because I made it my business to inquire into them, as you do now.” “Would to God,” cried Alcibiades, “I had been so happy as to have conversed with you then, when you understood these matters better.” To this purpose was their dialogue.

“Please,” Alcibiades says, “explain to me what the law is: because, as I hear people praised for following the laws, I think this praise can’t be given to those who don’t know what the law is.” “It’s easy to clarify,” Pericles replied: “the law is simply what the people in a general assembly decide, stating what should be done and what shouldn’t.” “And tell me,” Alcibiades added, “do they decide on what is good or what is bad?” “Definitely what is good.” Alcibiades continued, “And how would you describe what a small group of citizens decide in states where the people aren’t in charge, but everything is controlled by the advice of a few who hold power?” “I would say whatever they decide is a law; because laws are just the rules made by those in authority.” “So if a tyrant decides something, is that a law?” “Yes, it is,” Pericles replied. “But then what about violence and injustice?” Alcibiades questioned; “isn’t it when the strongest forces the weakest to obey, not by agreement, but by force?” “I believe that’s true.” “So it follows,” Alcibiades states, “that rules made by a ruler, without the consent of the citizens, are completely unjust.” “I think so,” Pericles acknowledged; “and I can’t accept that the rules of a ruler, when made without the people’s consent, should be called laws.” “And what about what the main citizens decide, without getting the approval of the majority, is that also considered violence?” “There’s no doubt about it,” Pericles answered; “and in general, any rule made without the consent of those who have to follow it is more of a violence than a law.” “And is what the masses decree, without the agreement of the leaders, also considered violence and not a law?” “Absolutely,” said Pericles: “but when I was your age, I could sort through all these issues because I took the time to explore them, just like you are doing now.” “I wish,” Alcibiades exclaimed, “I had been lucky enough to speak with you back then, when you understood these things better.” This was the purpose of their conversation.

Critias and Alcibiades, however, continued not long with Socrates, after they believed they had improved themselves, and gained some advantages over the other citizens, for besides that they thought not his conversation very agreeable, they were displeased that he took upon him to reprimand them for their faults; and thus they threw themselves immediately into the public affairs, having never had any other design but that. The usual companions of Socrates were Crito, Chaerephon, Chaerecrates, Simmias, Cebes, Phædon, and some others; none of whom frequented him that they might learn to speak eloquently, either in the assemblies of the people, or in the courts of justice before the judges; but that they might become better men, and know how to behave themselves towards their domestics, their relations, their friends, and their fellow-citizens. All these persons led very innocent lives; and, whether we consider them in their youth or examine their behaviour in a more advanced age, we shall find that they never were guilty of any bad action, nay, that they never gave the least ground to suspect them of being so.

Critias and Alcibiades, however, didn't stay with Socrates for long after they thought they'd improved themselves and gained some advantages over the other citizens. Besides finding his conversations not very enjoyable, they were annoyed that he felt it was his place to criticize them for their mistakes. So, they immediately jumped into public affairs, having never had any other goal than that. Socrates' usual companions included Crito, Chaerephon, Chaerecrates, Simmias, Cebes, Phædon, and a few others. None of them sought him out to learn how to speak eloquently, either in public assemblies or in courts of law; instead, they aimed to become better people and to learn how to act towards their families, friends, and fellow citizens. All of these individuals lived very innocent lives, and whether we look at them in their youth or examine their behavior as they got older, we find that they were never guilty of any wrongdoing, nor did they ever give the slightest reason to suspect them of it.

But the accuser says that Socrates encouraged children to despise their parents, making them believe that he was more capable to instruct them than they; and telling them that as the laws permit a man to chain his own father if he can convict him of lunacy, so, in like manner, it is but just that a man of excellent sense should throw another into chains who has not so much understanding. I cannot deny but that Socrates may have said something like this; but he meant it not in the sense in which the accuser would have it taken: and he fully discovered what his meaning by these words was, when he said that he who should pretend to chain others because of their ignorance, ought, for the same reason, to submit to be chained himself by men who know more than he. Hence it is that he argued so often of the difference between folly and ignorance; and then he plainly said that fools and madmen ought to be chained indeed, as well for their own interest as for that of their friends; but that they who are ignorant of things they should know, ought only to be instructed by those that understand them.

But the accuser claims that Socrates encouraged kids to look down on their parents, making them think he was better at teaching them than their parents were; and told them that just as the laws allow a man to chain his own father if he can prove he's insane, it’s only fair for a wise person to restrain someone who lacks understanding. I can’t deny that Socrates might have said something like this; however, he didn't mean it the way the accuser suggests: he clarified his meaning when he said that anyone who tries to chain others due to their ignorance should, for the same reason, allow themselves to be chained by people who know more than they do. That’s why he often talked about the difference between foolishness and ignorance; he clearly stated that fools and madmen should indeed be restrained, for their own good as well as for the sake of their friends; but those who are ignorant of things they should know should simply be taught by those who understand them.

The accuser goes on, that Socrates did not only teach men to despise their parents, but their other relations too; because he said that if a man be sick, or have a suit in law, it is not his relations, but the physicians, or the advocates who are of use to him. He further alleged that Socrates, speaking of friends, said it was to no purpose to bear goodwill to any man, if it be not in our power to serve him; and that the only friends whom we ought to value are they who know what is good for us, and can teach it to us: thus, says the accuser, Socrates, by persuading the youth that he was the wisest of all men, and the most capable to set others in the right road to wisdom, made them believe that all the rest of mankind were nothing in comparison with him. I remember, indeed, to have heard him sometimes talk after this manner of parents, relations, and friends; and he observed besides, if I mistake not, that when the soul, in which the understanding resides, is gone out of the body, we soon bury the corpse; and even though it be that of our nearest relation, we endeavour to put it out of our sight as soon as decently we can. Farther, though every man loves his own body to a great degree, we scruple not nevertheless to take from it all that is superfluous, for this reason we cut our hair and our nails, we take off our corns and our warts, and we put ourselves into the surgeons’ hands, and endure caustics and incisions; and after they have made us suffer a great deal of pain, we think ourselves obliged to give them a reward: thus, too, we spit, because the spittle is of no use in the mouth, but on the contrary is troublesome. But Socrates meant not by these, or the like sayings, to conclude that a man ought to bury his father alive, or that we ought to cut off our legs and arms; but he meant only to teach us that what is useless is contemptible, and to exhort every man to improve and render himself useful to others; to the end that if we desire to be esteemed by our father, our brother, or any other relation, we should not rely so much on our parentage and consanguinity, as not to endeavour to render ourselves always useful to those whose esteem we desire to obtain.

The accuser claims that Socrates not only taught people to disrespect their parents but also their other family members. He argued that when someone is sick or has a legal issue, it’s not their family that helps them, but doctors or lawyers. He also mentioned that Socrates said it’s pointless to have goodwill towards anyone if we can’t help them, and that the only friends worth valuing are those who know what’s best for us and can teach it to us. Thus, the accuser said, Socrates convinced the youth that he was the wisest man and the best at guiding others toward wisdom, leading them to believe that everyone else was insignificant compared to him. I remember hearing him talk like this about parents, family, and friends. He also noted, if I’m not mistaken, that when the soul, which holds understanding, leaves the body, we quickly bury the corpse. Even if it belongs to our closest relatives, we try to put it out of our sight as soon as we can. Moreover, even though everyone loves their own body a lot, we don’t hesitate to remove anything unnecessary; we cut our hair and nails, remove corns and warts, and go to surgeons, enduring pain for their treatment. After suffering a lot, we feel obligated to reward them. We also spit because saliva is useless in the mouth and can be bothersome. However, Socrates didn’t mean with these comments to suggest that a person should bury their father alive or cut off their limbs; rather, he aimed to show that what is useless is worthless and to encourage everyone to improve themselves and be useful to others. So, if we want to be respected by our father, brother, or any other relative, we shouldn’t just rely on our family ties, but should strive to always be useful to those whose respect we want.

The accuser says further against Socrates, that he was so malicious as to choose out of the famous poets the passages that contained the worst instructions, and that he made use of them in a sly manner, to inculcate the vices of injustice and violence: as this verse of Hesiod,

The accuser continues against Socrates, claiming that he was so ruthless as to select the worst advice from the renowned poets and slyly used it to promote the vices of injustice and violence; for example, this line from Hesiod,

“Blame no employment, but blame idleness.”

"Don’t blame a lack of jobs, blame the laziness."

And he pretends that Socrates alleged this passage to prove that the poet meant to say that we ought not to count any employment unjust or dishonourable, if we can make any advantage of it. This, however, was far from the thoughts of Socrates; but, as he had always taught that employment and business are useful and honourable to men, and that idleness is an evil, he concluded that they who busy themselves about anything that is good are indeed employed; but that gamesters and debauched persons, and all who have no occupations, but such as are hurtful and wicked, are idle. Now, in this sense, is it not true to say:—

And he acts like Socrates suggested this passage to show that the poet meant we shouldn’t consider any job unjust or shameful if we can benefit from it. However, this was far from Socrates' viewpoint; he always taught that work and business are valuable and honorable for people, and that being idle is harmful. He concluded that those who engage in anything good are actually working, while gamblers, immoral people, and anyone with no occupations except harmful or wicked ones are idle. So, in this sense, isn’t it true to say:—

“Blame no employment, but blame idleness”?

“Don’t blame a lack of jobs, but blame laziness”?

The accuser likewise says that Socrates often repeated, out of Homer, a speech of Ulysses; and from thence he concludes that Socrates taught that the poet advised to beat the poor and abuse the common people. But it is plain Socrates could never have drawn such a wild and unnatural inference from those verses of the poet, because he would have argued against himself, since he was as poor as anyone besides. What he meant, therefore, was only this, that such as are neither men of counsel nor execution, who are neither fit to advise in the city nor to serve in the army, and are nevertheless proud and insolent, ought to be brought to reason, even though they be possessed of great riches. And this was the true meaning of Socrates, for he loved the men of low condition, and expressed a great civility for all sorts of persons; insomuch that whenever he was consulted, either by the Athenians or by foreigners, he would never take anything of any man for the instructions he gave them, but imparted his wisdom freely, and without reward, to all the world; while they, who became rich by his liberality, did not afterwards behave themselves so generously, but sold very dear to others what had cost them nothing; and, not being of so obliging a temper as he, would not impart their knowledge to any who had it not in their power to reward them. In short, Socrates has rendered the city of Athens famous throughout the whole earth; and, as Lychas was said to be the honour of Sparta, because he treated, at his own expense, all the foreigners who came to the feasts of the Gymnopaedies, so it may, with much greater reason, be said of Socrates that he was the glory of Athens, he who all his life made a continual distribution of his goodness and virtues, and who, keeping open for all the world the treasures of an inestimable wealth, never sent any man out of his company but more virtuous, and more improved in the principles of honour, than formerly he was. Therefore, in my opinion, if he had been treated according to his merit, they should have decreed him public honours rather than have condemned him to an infamous death. For against whom have the laws ordained the punishment of death? Is it not for thieves, for robbers, for men guilty of sacrilege, for those who sell persons that are free? But where, in all the world, can we find a man more innocent of all those crimes than Socrates? Can it be said of him that he ever held correspondence with the enemy, that he ever fomented any sedition, that he ever was the cause of a rebellion, or any other the like mischiefs? Can any man lay to his charge that he ever detained his estate, or did him or it the least injury? Was he ever so much as suspected of any of these things? How then is it possible he should be guilty of the crimes of which he was accused; since, instead of not believing in the gods, as the accuser says, it is manifest he was a sincere adorer of them? Instead of corrupting the youth, as he further alleges against him, he made it his chief care to deliver his friends from the power of every guilty passion, and to inspire them with an ardent love for virtue, the glory, the ornament, and felicity of families as well as of states? And this being fact (and fact it is, for who can deny it?), is it not certain that the Republic was extremely obliged to him, and that she ought to have paid him the highest honours?

The accuser also claims that Socrates often quoted a speech from Ulysses in Homer, and concludes from this that Socrates taught people to beat the poor and mistreat the common folk. But it’s clear that Socrates could never have made such a bizarre and unreasonable conclusion from those lines, as it would contradict his own situation, since he was as poor as anyone else. What he really meant was that those who lack wisdom or skills, who aren't fit to advise the city or serve in the military, yet remain arrogant and disrespectful, need to be brought down a peg, even if they are wealthy. This was Socrates' true intention; he respected those in low positions and showed kindness to all kinds of people. Whenever he was consulted, whether by Athenians or foreigners, he never accepted anything in return for his teachings but shared his wisdom freely with everyone. In contrast, those who grew rich from his generosity did not act so kindly; they sold to others what cost them nothing and, unlike him, were not willing to share their knowledge with those who couldn't pay. In short, Socrates made Athens famous all over the world. Just as Lychas was considered the pride of Sparta for hosting foreign guests at his own expense during the Gymnopaedia, it's even more fitting to say that Socrates was the glory of Athens, who spent his entire life generously sharing his goodness and virtues, keeping the unmatched treasures of wisdom open to everyone, and never sending anyone away without leaving them more virtuous and better equipped with principles of honor. Therefore, in my view, if he had received the recognition he deserved, they ought to have given him public honors instead of sentencing him to a shameful death. For whom do the laws punish with death? Isn’t it for thieves, robbers, those guilty of sacrilege, and those who sell free people? But where can we find anyone more innocent of those crimes than Socrates? Can it be said that he ever collaborated with the enemy, incited any rebellion, or caused any kind of trouble? Can anyone accuse him of ever holding on to anyone’s property or causing harm to anyone? Was he ever even suspected of any of this? How, then, is it possible that he could be guilty of the charges brought against him? Instead of not believing in the gods, as the accuser asserts, it’s clear he was a devoted worshiper of them. Rather than corrupting the youth, as he further claims, he made it his priority to help his friends overcome their negative passions and to inspire them with a deep love for virtue, the glory, honor, and happiness of both families and society. And this is a fact—who can deny it? Isn’t it obvious that the Republic owed him a great debt and should have honored him immensely?

CHAPTER III. HOW SOCRATES BEHAVED THROUGH THE WHOLE OF HIS LIFE.

Having, therefore, observed myself that all who frequented him improved themselves very much in his conversation, because he instructed them no less by his example than by his discourses, I am resolved to set down, in this work, all that I can recollect both of his actions and words.

Having noticed that everyone who spent time with him greatly improved through his conversations, as he taught them not only through what he said but also through his actions, I have decided to record in this work everything I can remember about both his actions and his words.

First, then, as to what relates to the service of the gods, he strictly conformed to the advice of the oracle, who never gives any other answer to those who inquire of him in what manner they ought to sacrifice to the gods, or what honours they ought to render to the dead, than that everyone should observe the customs of his own country. Thus in all the acts of religious worship Socrates took particular care to do nothing contrary to the custom of the Republic, and advised his friends to make that the rule of their devotion to the gods, alleging it to be an argument of superstition and vanity to dissent from the established worship.

First, regarding the service of the gods, he strictly followed the oracle's advice, which always instructs those who ask how they should sacrifice to the gods or honor the dead to adhere to the customs of their own country. Therefore, in all acts of religious worship, Socrates made sure to follow the traditions of the Republic and encouraged his friends to adopt the same approach in their devotion to the gods, claiming it was a sign of superstition and vanity to stray from the established practices.

When he prayed to the gods he besought them only to give him what is good, because they know better than we do what things are truly good for us; and he said that men who pray for silver, or for gold, or for the sovereign authority, made as foolish requests as if they prayed that they might play or fight, or desired any other thing whose event is uncertain, and that might be likely to turn to their disadvantage.

When he prayed to the gods, he asked them only to give him what was truly good, because they know better than we do what is actually good for us; and he said that people who pray for silver, gold, or power are making as foolish requests as if they were praying to be able to play or fight, or wished for anything else with an uncertain outcome that could likely work against them.

When he offered sacrifices he did not believe that his poverty rendered them despicable in the presence of the gods; and, while he offered according to his ability, he thought he gave as much as the rich, who load the altars with costly gifts, for he held that it would be an injustice in the gods to take more delight in costly sacrifices than in poorer ones, because it would then follow that the offerings of the wicked would for the most part be more acceptable to them than the gifts of the good; and that, if this were so, we ought not to desire to live one moment longer: he thought, therefore, that nothing was so acceptable to the Deity as the homage that is paid him by souls truly pious and innocent. To this purpose he often repeated these verses:—

When he made sacrifices, he didn’t think that his poverty made them worthless in front of the gods; and while he offered what he could, he believed he gave just as much as the wealthy, who burden the altars with expensive gifts. He thought it would be unfair for the gods to take more pleasure in costly sacrifices than in simpler ones because that would mean that the offerings from the wicked would generally be more pleasing to them than the gifts from the good. If that were true, we shouldn’t want to live even a moment longer. He believed that nothing was more pleasing to the Deity than the respect shown by truly pious and innocent souls. To support this belief, he often quoted these verses:—

“Offer to heaven according to thy pow’r:
Th’ indulgent gracious gods require no more.”

“Offer to heaven according to your power:
The generous, kind gods ask for no more.”

And not only in this, but in all the other occasions of life, he thought the best advice he could give his friends was to do all things according to their ability.

And not just in this situation, but in all other moments in life, he believed the best advice he could share with his friends was to do everything to the best of their ability.

When he believed that the gods had admonished him to do anything, it was as impossible to make him take a contrary resolution as it would have been to have prevailed with him in a journey to change a guide that was clear-sighted for one that knew not the way, and was blind likewise. For this reason he pitied their folly, who, to avoid the derision of men, live not according to the admonitions and commands of the gods; and he beheld with contempt all the subtilties of human prudence when he compared them with divine inspirations.

When he thought that the gods had warned him to do something, it was just as impossible to convince him to decide otherwise as it would be to persuade someone to switch from a clear-sighted guide to one who was both lost and blind. For this reason, he felt sorry for those who, to escape the mockery of others, don’t follow the guidance and commands of the gods; and he looked down on all the cleverness of human reasoning when he compared it to divine inspiration.

His way of living was such that whoever follows it may be assured, with the help of the gods, that he shall acquire a robust constitution and a health not to be easily impaired; and this, too, without any great expense, for he was content with so little that I believe there was not in all the world a man who could work at all but might have earned enough to have maintained him. He generally ate as long as he found pleasure in eating, and when he sat down to table he desired no other sauce but a sound appetite. All sorts of drink were alike pleasing to him, because he never drank but when he was thirsty; and if sometimes he was invited to a feast, he easily avoided eating and drinking to excess, which many find very difficult to do in those occasions. But he advised those who had no government of themselves never to taste of things that tempt a man to eat when he is no longer hungry, and that excite him to drink when his thirst is already quenched, because it is this that spoils the stomach, causes the headache, and puts the soul into disorder. And he said, between jest and earnest, that he believed it was with such meats as those that Circe changed men into swine, and that Ulysses avoided that transformation by the counsel of Mercury, and because he had temperance enough to abstain from tasting them.

His way of living was such that anyone who follows it can be confident, with the help of the gods, that they'll develop a strong body and maintain good health without much cost. He was satisfied with so little that I believe there was no one in the world who couldn't earn enough to support himself. He usually ate for as long as he enjoyed it, and when he sat down to eat, all he wanted was a healthy appetite for flavor. Any kind of drink pleased him since he only drank when he was thirsty; and if he was ever invited to a feast, he could easily avoid overindulging, something many struggle with at such events. But he advised those who can’t control themselves never to try things that tempt a person to eat when they're not hungry or to drink when their thirst is already satisfied, as this ruins the stomach, causes headaches, and disturbs the soul. He jokingly but seriously believed that it was with such foods that Circe turned men into pigs, and that Ulysses escaped that fate by following Mercury's advice and having enough self-control to avoid tasting them.

As to love, his advice was to avoid carefully the company of beautiful persons, saying it was very difficult to be near them and escape being taken in the snare; and, having been told that Critobulus had given a kiss to the son of Alcibiades, who was a very handsome youth, he held this discourse to Xenophon, in the presence of Critobulus himself.

As for love, his advice was to carefully avoid the company of attractive people, saying it was tough to be around them and not fall into their trap. After hearing that Critobulus had kissed the very good-looking son of Alcibiades, he shared this discussion with Xenophon in front of Critobulus himself.

“Tell me, Xenophon, what opinion have you hitherto had of Critobulus? Have you placed him in the rank of the temperate and judicious; or with the debauched and imprudent?” “I have always looked upon him,” answered Xenophon, “to be a very virtuous and prudent man.” “Change your opinion,” replied Socrates, “and believe him more rash than if he threw himself on the points of naked swords or leapt into the fire.” “And what have you seen him do,” said Xenophon, “that gives you reason to speak thus of him?” “Why, he had the rashness,” answered Socrates, “to kiss the son of Alcibiades, who is so beautiful and charming.” “And is this all?” said Xenophon; “for my part, I think I could also willingly expose myself to the same danger that he did.” “Wretch, that you are!” replied Socrates. “Do you consider what happens to you after you have kissed a beautiful face? Do you not lose your liberty? Do you not become a slave? Do you not engage yourself in a vast expense to procure a sinful pleasure? Do you not find yourself in an incapacity of doing what is good, and that you subject yourself to the necessity of employing your whole time and person in the pursuit of what you would despise, if your reason were not corrupted?” “Good God!” cried Xenophon, “this is ascribing a wonderful power to a kiss forsooth.” “And are you surprised at it?” answered Socrates. “Are there not some small animals whose bite is so venomous that it causes insufferable pain, and even the loss of the senses?” “I know it very well,” said Xenophon, “but these animals leave a poison behind them when they sting.” “And do you think, you fool,” added Socrates, “that kisses of love are not venomous, because you perceive not the poison? Know that a beautiful person is a more dangerous animal than scorpions, because these cannot wound unless they touch us; but beauty strikes at a distance: from what place soever we can but behold her, she darts her venom upon us, and overthrows our judgment. And perhaps for this reason the Loves are represented with bows and arrows, because a beautiful face wounds us from afar. I advise you, therefore, Xenophon, when you chance to see a beauty to fly from it, without looking behind you. And for you, Critobulus, I think it convenient that you should enjoin yourself a year’s absence, which will not be too long a time to heal you of your wound.”

“Tell me, Xenophon, what do you think of Critobulus so far? Is he in the group of the sensible and wise, or with the reckless and foolish?” “I’ve always seen him,” replied Xenophon, “as a very virtuous and sensible man.” “Change your mind,” Socrates replied, “and think of him as being more reckless than if he jumped on the points of bare swords or leaped into a fire.” “And what have you seen him do,” asked Xenophon, “to justify that opinion?” “Well, he had the audacity,” Socrates said, “to kiss the son of Alcibiades, who is so beautiful and charming.” “Is that it?” said Xenophon; “I think I could also willingly put myself in the same risky situation.” “You fool!” replied Socrates. “Do you realize what happens to you after you kiss a beautiful face? Don’t you lose your freedom? Don’t you become a slave? Don’t you end up spending a lot just to pursue a fleeting pleasure? Don’t you find yourself unable to do what is good, forced to spend all your time and energy chasing something you would normally disdain if your judgment weren’t clouded?” “Good God!” exclaimed Xenophon, “you’re giving a kiss an incredible amount of power.” “Are you surprised?” Socrates responded. “Aren’t there small creatures whose bite is so poisonous that it causes unbearable pain, even loss of consciousness?” “I’m aware of that,” said Xenophon, “but those creatures leave behind a poison when they sting.” “And do you think, you fool,” Socrates added, “that love kisses aren’t poisonous just because you don’t see the toxin? Understand that a beautiful person is a more dangerous creature than scorpions because those can only hurt us if they touch us; beauty strikes from a distance: wherever we see it, it sends its venom our way and disturbs our judgment. Maybe that’s why Love is depicted with bows and arrows, since a beautiful face can wound us from afar. So, I advise you, Xenophon, when you see beauty, run away from it without looking back. And as for you, Critobulus, I think it would be wise for you to commit to a year away from it, which isn’t too long to heal your wounds.”

As for such as have not strength enough to resist the power of love, he thought that they ought to consider and use it as an action to which the soul would never consent, were it not for the necessity of the body; and which, though it be necessary, ought, nevertheless, to give us no inquietude. As for himself, his continence was known to all men, and it was more easy for him to avoid courting the most celebrated beauties, than it is for others to get away from disagreeable objects.

As for those who don’t have the strength to resist the power of love, he believed they should view it as something the soul wouldn't agree to unless it was necessary for the body; and although it is necessary, it shouldn’t cause us any distress. As for him, everyone knew about his self-restraint, and it was easier for him to steer clear of the most famous beauties than it is for others to escape unpleasant situations.

Thus we see what was his way of life in eating, drinking, and in the affair of love. He believed, however, that he tasted of those pleasures no less than they who give themselves much trouble to enjoy them; but that he had not, like them, so frequent occasions for sorrow and repentance.

Thus we see what his lifestyle was like in terms of eating, drinking, and love. He believed, however, that he experienced those pleasures just as much as those who go to great lengths to enjoy them; but he did not, like them, have as many opportunities for sorrow and regret.

CHAPTER IV. SOCRATES PROVETH THE EXISTENCE OF A DEITY.

If there be any who believe what some have written by conjecture, that Socrates was indeed excellent in exciting men to virtue, but that he did not push them forward to make any great progress in it, let such reflect a little on what he said, not only when he endeavoured to refute those that boasted they knew all things, but likewise in his familiar conversations, and let them judge afterwards if he was incapable to advance his friends in the paths of virtue.

If there are people who think that some writings suggest Socrates was great at encouraging others to be virtuous, but didn’t really help them make significant progress, they should take a moment to think about what he said. Not only when he tried to challenge those who claimed they knew everything, but also during his casual conversations. After that, they can decide if he was truly unable to help his friends grow in virtue.

I will, in the first place, relate a conference which he had with Aristodemus, surnamed the Little, touching the Deity, for he had heard that he never sacrificed to the gods; that he never addressed himself to them in prayer; that he never consulted the oracles, and even laughed at those that practised these things, he took him to talk in this manner:—

I will, first of all, share a conversation he had with Aristodemus, known as the Little, about the Deity. He had heard that Aristodemus never sacrificed to the gods, never prayed to them, never consulted oracles, and even mocked those who did these things. So, he approached him to discuss it like this:—

“Tell me, Aristodemus, are there any persons whom you value on account of their merit?” He answered, “Yes, certainly.” “Tell me their names,” added Socrates. Aristodemus replied: “For epic poetry I admire Homer as the most excellent; for dithyrambics, Melanippides; Sophocles for tragedy; Polycletes for statuary; and Zeuxis for painting.” “Which artists,” said Socrates, “do you think to be most worthy of your esteem and admiration: they who make images without soul and motion, or they who make animals that move of their own accord, and are endowed with understanding?” “No doubt the last,” replied Aristodemus, “provided they make them not by chance, but with judgment and prudence.” Socrates went on: “As there are some things which we cannot say why they were made, and others which are apparently good and useful, tell me, my friend, whether of the two you rather take to be the work of prudence than of hazard.” “It is reasonable,” said Aristodemus, “to believe that the things which are good and useful are the workmanship of reason and judgment.” “Do not you think then,” replied Socrates, “that the first Former of mankind designed their advantage when he gave them the several senses by which objects are apprehended; eyes for things visible, and ears for sounds? Of what advantage would agreeable scents have been to us if nostrils suited to their reception had not been given? And for the pleasures of the taste, how could we ever have enjoyed these, if the tongue had not been fitted to discern and relish them? Further, does it not appear to you wisely provided that since the eye is of a delicate make, it is guarded with the eyelid drawn back when the eye is used, and covering it in sleep? How well does the hair at the extremity of the eyelid keep out dust, and the eyebrow, by its prominency, prevent the sweat of the forehead from running into the eye to its hurt. How wisely is the ear formed to receive all sorts of sounds, and not to be filled with any to the exclusion of others. Are not the fore teeth of all animals fitted to cut off proper portions of food, and their grinders to reduce it to a convenient smallness? The mouth, by which we take in the food we like, is fitly placed just beneath the nose and eyes, the judges of its goodness; and what is offensive and disagreeable to our senses is, for that reason, placed at a proper distance from them. In short, these things being disposed in such order, and with so much care, can you hesitate one moment to determine whether it be an effect of providence or of chance?” “I doubt not of it in the least,” replied Aristodemus, “and the more I fix my thoughts on the contemplation of these things the more I am persuaded that all this is the masterpiece of a great workman, who bears an extreme love to men.” “What say you,” continued Socrates, “to this, that he gives all animals a desire to engender and propagate their kind; that he inspires the mothers with tenderness and affection to bring up their young; and that, from the very hour of their birth, he infuses into them this great love of life and this mighty aversion to death?” “I say,” replied Aristodemus, “that it is an effect of his great care for their preservation.” “This is not all,” said Socrates, “answer me yet farther; perhaps you would rather interrogate me. You are not, I persuade myself, ignorant that you are endowed with understanding; do you then think that there is not elsewhere an intelligent being? Particularly, if you consider that your body is only a little earth taken from that great mass which you behold. The moist that composes you is only a small drop of that immense heap of water that makes the sea; in a word, your body contains only a small part of all the elements, which are elsewhere in great quantity. There is nothing then but your understanding alone, which, by a wonderful piece of good fortune, must have come to you from I know not whence, if there were none in another place; and can it then be said that all this universe and all these so vast and numerous bodies have been disposed in so much order, without the help of an intelligent Being, and by mere chance?” “I find it very difficult to understand it otherwise,” answered Aristodemus, “because I see not the gods, who, you say, make and govern all things, as I see the artificers who do any piece of work amongst us.” “Nor do you see your soul neither,” answered Socrates, “which governs your body; but, because you do not see it, will you from thence infer you do nothing at all by its direction, but that everything you do is by mere chance?” Aristodemus now wavering said, “I do not despise the Deity, but I conceive such an idea of his magnificence and self-sufficiency, that I imagine him to have no need of me or my services.” “You are quite wrong,” said Socrates, “for by how much the gods, who are so magnificent, vouchsafe to regard you, by so much you are bound to praise and adore them.” “It is needless for me to tell you,” answered Aristodemus, “that, if I believed the gods interested themselves in human affairs, I should not neglect to worship them.” “How!” replied Socrates, “you do not believe the gods take care of men, they who have not only given to man, in common with other animals, the senses of seeing, hearing, and taste, but have also given him to walk upright; a privilege which no other animal can boast of, and which is of mighty use to him to look forward, to remote objects, to survey with facility those above him, and to defend himself from any harm? Besides, although the animals that walk have feet, which serve them for no other use than to walk, yet, herein, have the gods distinguished man, in that, besides feet, they have given him hands, the instruments of a thousand grand and useful actions, on which account he not only excels, but is happier than all animals besides. And, further, though all animals have tongues, yet none of them can speak, like man’s; his tongue only can form words, by which he declares his thoughts, and communicates them to others. Not to mention smaller instances of their care, such as the concern they take of our pleasures, in confining men to no certain season for the enjoying them, as they have done other animals.

“Tell me, Aristodemus, do you know anyone you admire for their talent?” He replied, “Yes, definitely.” “Name them,” Socrates urged. Aristodemus said, “For epic poetry, I admire Homer the most; for dithyrambics, Melanippides; for tragedy, Sophocles; for sculpture, Polycletes; and for painting, Zeuxis.” “Which artists do you think deserve your respect and admiration: those who create lifeless images, or those who make living beings that can move and think for themselves?” “Definitely the latter,” Aristodemus answered, “as long as they create them with skill and wisdom, not by chance.” Socrates continued, “Since some things can’t be explained as to why they were made, and others clearly have value and usefulness, tell me, my friend, which do you believe is the product of wisdom rather than luck?” “It seems reasonable,” Aristodemus replied, “to think that things which are good and useful come from reason and judgment.” “Don’t you think,” Socrates replied, “that the first Creator of mankind had their benefit in mind when he gave them different senses to perceive the world; eyes for seeing and ears for hearing? What good would pleasant scents do us if we weren’t given nostrils to receive them? And how could we enjoy flavors if our tongues weren’t designed to taste and appreciate them? Also, doesn’t it seem wise that since the eye is delicate, it is protected by the eyelid when in use and covered while sleeping? The hair on the eyelid keeps out dust, and the prominent eyebrow prevents sweat from running into the eye and causing harm. Isn’t the ear designed to hear all kinds of sounds without being overwhelmed by any? Aren’t the front teeth of animals shaped to cut food into pieces, while their molars grind it down to a suitable size? The mouth, through which we take in our preferred food, is perfectly located just below the nose and eyes, the judges of its quality; and anything unpleasant is kept at a suitable distance from those senses. In short, given how everything is arranged with such care, can you doubt for a moment whether this is an act of providence or mere chance?” “I have no doubt at all,” Aristodemus replied, “and the more I reflect on these things, the more I believe that it showcases the work of a great creator who has a deep affection for humanity.” “What do you say,” Socrates continued, “about how he gives all animals a drive to reproduce and raise their young; how he inspires mothers with love and care for their offspring; and how from the moment of birth, he instills in them a strong love for life and a powerful fear of death?” “I would say,” Aristodemus replied, “that it’s a result of his great concern for their survival.” “That’s not all,” Socrates said, “answer me further; perhaps you have a question for me. You surely realize that you possess understanding; do you not believe there is another intelligent being somewhere? Especially when you consider that your body is just a small part of the vast earth you see. The moisture that makes you is just a tiny drop from the immense ocean; in essence, your body contains only a tiny fraction of all the elements that exist in abundance elsewhere. Therefore, isn’t it just your understanding that, by an extraordinary stroke of luck, must have come to you from who knows where, if there weren’t any intelligence elsewhere? Can it then be said that this entire universe and all these vast and numerous bodies are arranged in such order without the involvement of an intelligent Being, merely by luck?” “I find it hard to see it any other way,” Aristodemus answered, “because I don’t see the gods, who you claim create and manage everything, the same way I see the craftsmen who make things around us.” “Nor do you see your soul,” Socrates responded, “which governs your body; but just because you can’t see it, does that mean you believe you act without its guidance, and that everything you do is by mere chance?” Aristodemus, now unsure, said, “I don’t disrespect the Deity, but I think of his greatness and independence in such a way that I believe he has no need for me or my help.” “You are mistaken,” Socrates said, “for the more the gods, who are so great, choose to notice you, the more you should praise and worship them.” “I need not tell you,” Aristodemus replied, “that if I believed the gods were involved in human affairs, I wouldn’t avoid worshiping them.” “What?” Socrates replied, “You don’t believe the gods care for humans, those who have not only given man, like all animals, the senses of sight, hearing, and taste, but have also allowed him to stand upright; a privilege no other animal has, and which greatly helps him see faraway things, look up easily, and protect himself from danger? Furthermore, while animals that walk have feet just for walking, the gods have distinguished man by giving him hands, which serve a multitude of valuable purposes, making him not only superior but also happier than all other animals. And even though all animals have tongues, only man’s tongue can form words, allowing him to express and share his thoughts. Not to mention how the gods show their care in smaller ways, such as allowing humans not to be restricted to a certain time for enjoying pleasures, unlike other animals.

“But Providence taketh care, not only of our bodies, but of our souls: it hath pleased the great Author of all, not only to give man so many advantages for the body, but (which is the greatest gift of all, and the strongest proof of his care) he hath breathed into him an intelligent soul, and that, too, the most excellent of all, for which of the other animals has a soul that knows the being of the Deity, by whom so many great and marvellous works are done? Is there any species but man that serves and adores him? Which of the animals can, like him, protect himself from hunger and thirst, from heat and cold? Which, like him, can find remedies for diseases, can make use of his strength, and is as capable of learning, that so perfectly retains the things he has seen, he has heard, he has known? In a word, it is manifest that man is a god in comparison with the other living species, considering the advantages he naturally has over them, both of body and soul. For, if man had a body like to that of an ox the subtilty of his understanding would avail him nothing, because he would not be able to execute what he should project. On the other hand, if that animal had a body like ours, yet, being devoid of understanding, he would be no better than the rest of the brute species. Thus the gods have at once united in your person the most excellent structure of body and the greatest perfection of soul; and now can you still say, after all, that they take no care of you? What would you have them do to convince you of the contrary?” “I would have them,” answered Aristodemus, “send on purpose to let me know expressly all that I ought to do or not to do, in like manner as you say they do give you notice.” “What!” said Socrates, “when they pronounce any oracle to all the Athenians, do you think they do not address themselves to you too, when by prodigies they make known to the Greeks the things that are to happen, are they silent to you alone, and are you the only person they neglect? Do you think that the gods would have instilled this notion into men, that it is they who can make them happy or miserable, if it were not indeed in their power to do so? And do you believe that the human race would have been thus long abused without ever discovering the cheat? Do you not know that the most ancient and wisest republics and people have been also the most pious, and that man, at the age when his judgment is ripest, has then the greatest bent to the worship of the Deity?

“But Providence takes care not only of our bodies but also of our souls: it has pleased the great Author of everything, not only to give humanity many advantages for the body but (which is the greatest gift of all and the strongest proof of His care) He has breathed into us an intelligent soul, and that, too, the most excellent of all. Which of the other animals has a soul that recognizes the existence of the Deity, by whom so many great and marvelous works are done? Is there any species besides humans that serve and adore Him? Which animals can, like us, protect themselves from hunger and thirst, from heat and cold? Which, like us, can find remedies for diseases, harness their strength, and have the capability to learn, perfectly retaining what they have seen, heard, and known? In short, it is clear that humans are like gods compared to other living species, considering the advantages we naturally have over them, both in body and soul. For if humans had a body like that of an ox, the subtlety of our understanding would be of no use, because we would not be able to execute what we intend. On the other hand, if that animal had a body like ours, yet lacked understanding, it would be no better than the rest of the brute species. Thus, the gods have united in your person the most excellent structure of body and the greatest perfection of soul; and can you still say, after all this, that they do not care for you? What would you have them do to convince you otherwise?” “I would have them,” answered Aristodemus, “send someone specifically to let me know exactly what I should do or not do, just as you say they give you notice.” “What!” said Socrates, “when they issue any oracle to all the Athenians, do you think they do not also speak to you? When they reveal things to happen to the Greeks through prodigies, are they silent toward you alone, and are you the only one they neglect? Do you think that the gods would have instilled in people the notion that they can make them happy or miserable if it weren’t actually in their power to do so? And do you believe that humankind would have been deceived for so long without ever discovering the trick? Don’t you know that the oldest and wisest republics and peoples have also been the most devout, and that humans, when their judgment is at its peak, have the greatest inclination to worship the Deity?”

“My dear Aristodemus, consider that your mind governs your body according to its pleasure: in like manner we ought to believe that there is a mind diffused throughout the whole universe that disposeth of all things according to its counsels. You must not imagine that your weak sight can reach to objects that are several leagues distant, and that the eye of God cannot, at one and the same time, see all things. You must not imagine that your mind can reflect on the affairs of Athens, of Egypt, and of Sicily, and that the providence of God cannot, at one and the same moment, consider all things. As, therefore, you may make trial of the gratitude of a man by doing him a kindness, and as you may discover his prudence by consulting him in difficult affairs, so, if you would be convinced how great is the power and goodness of God, apply yourself sincerely to piety and his worship; then, my dear Aristodemus, you shall soon be persuaded that the Deity sees all, hears all, is present everywhere, and, at the same time, regulates and superintends all the events of the universe.”

“My dear Aristodemus, think about how your mind controls your body based on its desires: similarly, we should believe that there’s a mind spread throughout the whole universe that manages everything according to its wisdom. Don’t think that your limited vision can see things that are miles away, and that the eye of God can’t see everything at once. Don’t believe that your mind can contemplate the affairs of Athens, Egypt, and Sicily, while God’s providence can’t consider everything simultaneously. Just as you can test a man's gratitude by doing him a favor, and discover his wisdom by seeking his advice in tough situations, so if you truly want to understand the immense power and goodness of God, dedicate yourself sincerely to piety and worship; then, my dear Aristodemus, you’ll soon be convinced that the Divine sees all, hears all, is everywhere, and at the same time governs and oversees all the happenings in the universe.”

By such discourses as these Socrates taught his friends never to commit any injustice or dishonourable action, not only in the presence of men, but even in secret, and when they are alone, since the Divinity hath always an eye over us, and none of our actions can be hid from him.

By conversations like these, Socrates taught his friends to never commit any injustice or dishonorable act, not just in front of others, but even in private, as the Divine always watches over us, and none of our actions can be hidden from Him.

CHAPTER V. THE PRAISE OF TEMPERANCE.

And if temperance be a virtue in man, as undoubtedly it is, let us see whether any improvement can be made by what he said of it. I will here give you one of his discourses on that subject:—

And if self-control is a virtue in a person, which it definitely is, let’s see if we can improve on what he said about it. I will now share one of his talks on that topic:—

“If we were engaged in a war,” said he, “and were to choose a general, would we make choice of a man given to wine or women, and who could not support fatigues and hardships? Could we believe that such a commander would be capable to defend us and to conquer our enemies? Or if we were lying on our deathbed, and were to appoint a guardian and tutor for our children, to take care to instruct our sons in the principles of virtue, to breed up our daughters in the paths of honour and to be faithful in the management of their fortunes, should we think a debauched person fit for that employment? Would we trust our flocks and our granaries in the hands of a drunkard? Would we rely upon him for the conduct of any enterprise; and, in short, if a present were made us of such a slave, should we not make it a difficulty to accept him? If, then, we have so great an aversion for debauchery in the person of the meanest servant, ought we not ourselves to be very careful not to fall into the same fault? Besides, a covetous man has the satisfaction of enriching himself, and, though he take away another’s estate, he increases his own; but a debauched man is both troublesome to others and injurious to himself. We may say of him that he is hurtful to all the world, and yet more hurtful to himself, if to ruin, not only his family, but his body and soul likewise, is to be hurtful. Who, then, can take delight in the company of him who has no other diversion than eating and drinking, and who is better pleased with the conversation of a prostitute than of his friends? Ought we not, then, to practise temperance above all things, seeing it is the foundation of all other virtues; for without it what can we learn that is good, what do that is worthy of praise? Is not the state of man who is plunged in voluptuousness a wretched condition both for the body and soul? Certainly, in my opinion, a free person ought to wish to have no such servants, and servants addicted to such brutal irregularities ought earnestly to entreat Heaven that they may fall into the hands of very indulgent masters, because their ruin will be otherwise almost unavoidable.”

“If we were in a war,” he said, “and needed to pick a general, would we choose someone who is into drinking and women, and who can’t handle fatigue and hardship? Could we really believe that such a leader would be able to defend us and defeat our enemies? Or if we were lying on our deathbed, and had to choose a guardian and teacher for our children, to ensure our sons learn the values of virtue, to raise our daughters with honor, and to manage their fortunes well, would we think someone who is morally corrupt is suitable for that role? Would we trust a drunkard with our livestock and our harvests? Would we count on him to lead any project; and, honestly, if we were offered such a person as a servant, wouldn’t we hesitate to accept him? If we have such a strong dislike for debauchery in the most insignificant servant, shouldn’t we be very careful not to fall into the same trap ourselves? Besides, a greedy person finds pleasure in accumulating wealth, and while they might take from others, they still grow their own assets; but a morally corrupt person is a burden to others and harms themselves. We could say that they are harmful to everyone, and even more so to themselves, if ruining their family and themselves—body and soul—is considered harmful. Who can enjoy the company of someone who seeks pleasure only in eating and drinking, who prefers the company of a prostitute over that of friends? Shouldn’t we practice moderation above all, since it is the foundation of all virtues? Without it, what good can we learn, or what worthy things can we do? Isn’t the state of a person indulging in excess a miserable condition for both body and soul? Certainly, in my view, a free person should not want such servants, and servants who are caught up in such brutal habits should sincerely hope that they end up with very forgiving masters, because their downfall will otherwise be nearly inevitable.”

This is what Socrates was wont to say upon this subject. But if he appeared to be a lover of temperance in his discourses, he was yet a more exact observer of it in his actions, showing himself to be not only invincible to the pleasures of the senses, but even depriving himself of the satisfaction of getting an estate; for he held that a man who accepts of money from others makes himself a servant to all their humours, and becomes their slave in a manner no less scandalous than other slaveries.

This is what Socrates used to say about this topic. While he seemed to advocate for moderation in his discussions, he was an even more dedicated practitioner of it in his actions. He showed himself to be not only immune to sensory pleasures but also chose to forgo the enjoyment of acquiring wealth. He believed that a man who accepts money from others makes himself a servant to all their whims and becomes a slave in a way that is just as disgraceful as any other form of slavery.

CHAPTER VI. THE DISPUTE OF SOCRATES WITH ANTIPHON, THE SOPHIST.

To this end it will not be amiss to relate, for the honour of Socrates, what passed between him and the sophist Antiphon, who designed to seduce away his hearers, and to that end came to him when they were with him, and, in their presence, addressed himself to him in these words:—“I imagined, Socrates, that philosophers were happier than other men; but, in my opinion, your wisdom renders you more miserable, for you live at such a rate that no footman would live with a master that treated him in the same manner. You eat and drink poorly, you are clothed very meanly—the same suit serves you in summer and winter—you go barefoot, and for all this you take no money, though it is a pleasure to get it; for, after a man has acquired it, he lives more genteely and more at his ease. If, therefore, as in all other sorts of arts, apprentices endeavour to imitate their masters, should these who frequent your conversation become like you, it is certain that you will have taught them nothing but to make themselves miserable.”

To this end, it’s important to share, for the honor of Socrates, what happened between him and the sophist Antiphon, who aimed to lure away his listeners. Antiphon approached Socrates while they were together and said to him in front of everyone: “I thought philosophers were happier than other people, but honestly, I think your wisdom makes you more miserable. You live in such a way that no servant would stay with a master who treated him like this. You eat and drink poorly, your clothes are very shabby—the same outfit works for both summer and winter—you go barefoot, and on top of all that, you don’t even take any money, even though it’s enjoyable to have some. Because once someone has money, they can live more comfortably and with a bit more style. So, if, like in all other crafts, apprentices try to follow their masters, it’s clear that if those who listen to you start to emulate you, you’ll only have taught them how to be miserable.”

Socrates answered him in the following manner:—“You think, Antiphon, I live so poorly that I believe you would rather die than live like me. But what is it you find so strange and difficult in my way of living? You blame me for not taking money; is it because they who take money are obliged to do what they promise, and that I, who take none, entertain myself only with whom I think fit? You despise my eating and drinking; is it because my diet is not so good nor so nourishing as yours, or because it is more scarce and dearer, or lastly, because your fare seems to you to be better? Know that a man who likes what he eats needs no other ragoût, and that he who finds one sort of drink pleasant wishes for no other. As to your objection of my clothes, you appear to me, Antiphon, to judge quite amiss of the matter; for, do you not know that we dress ourselves differently only because of the hot or cold weather, and if we wear shoes it is because we would walk the easier? But, tell me, did you ever observe that the cold hath hindered me from going abroad? Have you ever seen me choose the cool and fresh shades in hot weather? And, though I go barefoot, do not you see that I go wherever I will? Do you not know that there are some persons of a very tender constitution, who, by constant exercise, surmount the weakness of their nature, and at length endure fatigues better than they who are naturally more robust, but have not taken pains to exercise and harden themselves like the others? Thus, therefore, do not you believe that I, who have all my life accustomed myself to bear patiently all manner of fatigues, cannot now more easily submit to this than you, who have never thought of the matter? If I have no keen desire after dainties, if I sleep little, if I abandon not myself to any infamous amour, the reason is because I spend my time more delightfully in things whose pleasure ends not in the moment of enjoyment, and that make me hope besides to receive an everlasting reward. Besides, you know very well, that when a man sees that his affairs go ill he is not generally very gay; and that, on the contrary, they who think to succeed in their designs, whether in agriculture, traffic, or any other undertaking, are very contented in their minds. Now, do you think that from anything whatsoever there can proceed a satisfaction equal to the inward consciousness of improving daily in virtue, and acquiring the acquaintance and friendship of the best of men? And if we were to serve our friends or our country, would not a man who lives like me be more capable of it than one that should follow that course of life which you take to be so charming? If it were necessary to carry arms, which of the two would be the best soldier, he who must always fare deliciously, or he who is satisfied with what he finds? If they were to undergo a siege who would hold out longest, he who cannot live without delicacies, or he who requires nothing but what may easily be had? One would think, Antiphon, that you believe happiness to consist in good eating and drinking, and in an expensive and splendid way of life. For my part, I am of opinion that to have need of nothing at all is a divine perfection, and that to have need but of little is to approach very near the Deity, and hence it follows that, as there is nothing more excellent than the Deity, whatever approaches nearest to it is likewise most near the supreme excellence.”

Socrates responded to him in this way: “You think, Antiphon, that I live so poorly that you’d rather die than live like me. But what do you find so strange and difficult about my way of life? You criticize me for not taking money; is it because those who take money must do what they promise, while I, who take none, spend my time with whoever I choose? You look down on my eating and drinking; is it because my diet isn’t as good or nourishing as yours, or because it’s more scarce and expensive, or maybe because you think your food is superior? Understand that someone who enjoys what they eat doesn’t need anything more elaborate, and someone who finds one type of drink pleasant doesn’t crave another. About your complaint regarding my clothes, you seem to misunderstand the point, Antiphon; we dress differently just because of the hot or cold weather, and we wear shoes for easier walking, right? But tell me, have you ever noticed that the cold has kept me from going out? Have you seen me prefer cool, shady spots on hot days? And even though I go barefoot, can’t you see that I go wherever I want? Don’t you know that some people who are delicate can, through constant exercise, overcome their natural weakness and end up enduring hardships better than those who are naturally stronger but don’t bother to train and toughen themselves? So, don’t you think that I, who have trained myself all my life to patiently endure all kinds of challenges, can handle this more easily than you, who have never considered it? If I’m not craving fancy foods, if I sleep little, and if I don’t indulge in any disgraceful affairs, it’s because I find more joy in things whose pleasure doesn’t end right after the enjoyment, and that also give me hope for an everlasting reward. Moreover, you know that when someone sees that their situation is going badly, they usually aren’t very happy; on the other hand, those who think they’ll succeed in their plans, whether in farming, business, or anything else, tend to feel pretty content. Now, do you think there’s any satisfaction that matches the inner feeling of improving in virtue and making connections and friendships with the best people? And if we were to serve our friends or our country, wouldn’t someone who lives like me be better suited for that than someone who follows the lifestyle you find so appealing? If it came down to fighting, who do you think would make the better soldier: the one who always needs gourmet food, or the one who’s happy with whatever is available? If they were under siege, who would last longer: the one who can’t survive without delicacies, or the one who only needs the basics? It seems, Antiphon, that you believe happiness comes from good food and drink, and from a luxurious lifestyle. Personally, I believe that needing nothing at all is a divine quality, and needing very little brings you very close to divinity. Therefore, since there is nothing better than the divine, whatever comes closest to it is also closest to the highest excellence.”

Another time Antiphon addressed himself to Socrates: “I confess you are an honest, well-meaning man, Socrates; but it is certain you know little or nothing, and one would imagine you own this to be true, for you get nothing by your teaching. And yet, I persuade myself, you would not part with your house, or any of the furniture of it, without some gratuity, because you believe them of some small value; nay, you would not part with them for less than they are worth: if, therefore, you thought your teaching worth anything you would be paid for it according to its value; in this, indeed, you show yourself honest, because you will not, out of avarice, cheat any man, but at the same time you discover, too, that you know but little, since all your knowledge is not worth the buying.”

Another time, Antiphon said to Socrates, “I admit you’re an honest, well-meaning guy, Socrates; but it’s clear you know very little, if anything at all, and it seems you acknowledge this, since you gain nothing from your teaching. Yet, I convince myself you wouldn’t sell your house or any of its furniture without some sort of payment because you think they have at least some value; in fact, you wouldn’t sell them for less than their worth. So, if you believed your teaching was worth something, you would charge for it based on that value. In this way, you show your honesty, as you won’t deceive anyone out of greed, but at the same time, you reveal that your knowledge is limited, since it’s not worth buying.”

Socrates answered him in this manner:—“There is a great resemblance between beauty and the doctrine of philosophers; what is praiseworthy in the one is so in the other, and both of them are subject to the same vice: for, if a woman sells her beauty for money, we immediately call her a prostitute; but if she knows that a man of worth and condition is fallen in love with her, and if she makes him her friend, we say she is a prudent woman. It is just the same with the doctrine of philosophers; they that sell it are sophists, and like the public women, but if a philosopher observe a youth of excellent parts, and teacheth him what he knows, in order to obtain his friendship, we say of him, that he acts the part of a good and virtuous citizen. Thus as some delight in fine horses, others in dogs, and others in birds; for my part all my delight is to be with my virtuous friends. I teach them all the good I know, and recommend them to all whom I believe capable to assist them in the way to perfection. We all draw together, out of the same fountain, the precious treasures which the ancient sages have left us; we run over their works, and if we find anything excellent we take notice of it and select it: in short, we believe we have made a great improvement when we begin to love one another.” This was the answer he made, and when I heard him speak in this manner I thought him very happy, and that he effectually stirred up his hearers to the love of virtue.

Socrates answered him like this: “There’s a strong similarity between beauty and the ideas of philosophers; what’s admirable in one is admirable in the other, and both are prone to the same flaw: if a woman sells her beauty for money, we immediately call her a prostitute; but if she knows that a respectable man has fallen for her and she becomes friends with him, we say she’s smart. It’s the same with philosophers; those who sell their teachings are like prostitutes, but if a philosopher sees a promising young person and shares his knowledge to foster their friendship, we call him a good and virtuous citizen. Just as some people find pleasure in fine horses, others in dogs, and others in birds, I find my joy in spending time with my virtuous friends. I teach them all the good I know and recommend them to anyone I think can help them grow. We all tap into the same source, the invaluable insights the ancient sages left us; we explore their works, and if we discover anything exceptional, we take note of it and choose it. In short, we feel we’ve made significant progress when we start to love one another.” This was his response, and when I heard him talk this way, I thought he was very fortunate and that he effectively inspired his listeners to embrace virtue.

Another time when Antiphon asked him why he did not concern himself with affairs of State, seeing he thought himself capable to make others good politicians? he returned this answer:—“Should I be more serviceable to the State if I took an employment whose function would be wholly bounded in my person, and take up all my time, than I am by instructing every one as I do, and in furnishing the Republic with a great number of citizens who are capable to serve her?”

Another time when Antiphon asked him why he didn’t get involved in politics, considering he believed he could make others good politicians, he responded: “Would I be more helpful to the State if I took on a job that would limit my contributions to just myself and consume all my time, rather than teaching others as I do and providing the Republic with many citizens who are capable of serving it?”

CHAPTER VII. IN WHAT MANNER SOCRATES DISSUADED MEN FROM SELF-CONCEIT AND OSTENTATION.

But let us now see whether by dissuading his friends from a vain ostentation he did not exhort them to the pursuit of virtue. He frequently said that there was no readier way to glory than to render oneself excellent, and not to affect to appear so. To prove this he alleged the following example:—“Let us suppose,” said he, “that any one would be thought a good musician, without being so in reality; what course must he take? He must be careful to imitate the great masters in everything that is not of their art; he must, like them, have fine musical instruments; he must, like them, be followed by a great number of persons wherever he goes, who must be always talking in his praise. And yet he must not venture to sing in public: for then all men would immediately perceive not only his ignorance, but his presumption and folly likewise. And would it not be ridiculous in him to spend his estate to ruin his reputation? In like manner, if any one would appear a great general, or a good pilot, though he knew nothing of either, what would be the issue of it? If he cannot make others believe it, it troubles him, and if he can persuade them to think so he is yet more unhappy, because, if he be made choice of for the steering of ships, or to command an army, he will acquit himself very ill of his office, and perhaps be the cause of the loss of his best friends. It is not less dangerous to appear to be rich, or brave, or strong, if we are not so indeed, for this opinion of us may procure us employments that are above our capacity, and if we fail to effect what was expected of us there is no remission for our faults. And if it be a great cheat to wheedle one of your neighbours out of any of his ready money or goods, and not restore them to him afterwards, it is a much greater impudence and cheat for a worthless fellow to persuade the world that he is capable to govern a Republic.” By these and the like arguments he inspired a hatred of vanity and ostentation into the minds of those who frequented him.

But let’s see if by discouraging his friends from being showy, he didn’t actually encourage them to pursue virtue. He often said that the best way to achieve glory is to become truly excellent, rather than just pretending to be. To illustrate this, he used the following example: “Let’s say someone wants to be seen as a good musician, even if they aren’t actually one. What must they do? They need to carefully imitate the great masters in everything that’s not part of their craft; they should have nice musical instruments, and be followed everywhere by a crowd that always talks about how great they are. But they must never actually sing in public, because then everyone would immediately see not just their ignorance, but also their arrogance and foolishness. Wouldn’t it be ridiculous for them to spend their fortune destroying their reputation? Similarly, if someone wants to appear as a great general or a good pilot, but has no knowledge of either, what would happen? If they can’t convince others to believe it, they’re anxious. And if they manage to persuade others, they’d be even more miserable because if they were chosen to steer a ship or command an army, they’d perform miserably, potentially putting their best friends in danger. It’s just as risky to appear rich, brave, or strong if we’re not, because that perception could lead us to take on jobs we’re not suited for, and if we fail, there’s no forgiveness for our mistakes. If it’s a big deception to trick a neighbor out of their money or belongings and not give them back, it’s an even greater sham and audacity for an incompetent person to convince the world that they are fit to govern a Republic.” Through these arguments and similar points, he instilled a dislike for vanity and showiness in those who spent time with him.

BOOK II.

CHAPTER I. A CONFERENCE OF SOCRATES WITH ARISTIPPUS CONCERNING PLEASURE AND TEMPERANCE.

In the same manner, likewise, he encouraged his hearers by the following arguments to support hunger and thirst, to resist the temptations of love, to fly from laziness, and inure themselves to all manner of fatigues. For, being told that one of them lived too luxuriously, he asked him this question: “If you were entrusted, Aristippus, with the education of two young men, one to be a prince and the other a private man, how would you educate them? Let us begin with their nourishment, as being the foundation of all.” “It is true,” said Aristippus, “that nourishment is the foundation of our life, for a man must soon die if he be not nourished.” “You would accustom both of them,” said Socrates, “to eat and drink at a certain hour?” “It is likely I should?” “But which of the two,” said Socrates, “would you teach to leave eating before he was satisfied, to go about some earnest business?” “Him, without doubt,” answered Aristippus, “whom I intended to render capable to govern, to the end that under him the affairs of the Republic might not suffer by delay.” “Which of the two,” continued Socrates, “would you teach to abstain from drinking when he was thirsty, to sleep but little, to go late to bed, to rise early, to watch whole nights, to live chastely, to get the better of his favourite inclinations, and not to avoid fatigues, but expose himself freely to them?” “The same still,” replied Aristippus. “And if there be any art that teaches to overcome our enemies, to which of the two is it rather reasonable to teach it?” “To him to,” said Aristippus, “for without that art all the rest would avail him nothing.” “I believe,” said Socrates, “that a man, who has been educated in this manner, would not suffer himself to be so easily surprised by his enemies as the most part of animals do. For some perish by their gluttony, as those whom we allure with a bait, or catch by offering them to drink, and who fall into the snares, notwithstanding their fears and distrust. Others perish through their lasciviousness, as quails and partridges, who suffer themselves to be decoyed by the counterfeit voice of their females, and blindly following the amorous warmth that transports them, fall miserably into the nets.” “You say true,” said Aristippus. “Well, then,” pursued Socrates, “is it not scandalous for a man to be taken in the same snares with irrational animals? And does not this happen to adulterers, who skulk and hide themselves in the chambers and closets of married women, though they know they run a very great risk, and that the laws are very strict and rigorous against those crimes? They know themselves to be watched, and that, if they are taken, they shall not be let go with impunity. In a word, they see punishment and infamy hanging over the heads of criminals like themselves. Besides, they are not ignorant, that there are a thousand honourable diversions to deliver them from those infamous passions, and yet they run hand over head into the midst of these dangers, and what is this but to be wretched and desperate to the highest degree?” “I think it so,” answered Aristippus. “What say you to this,” continued Socrates, “that the most necessary and most important affairs of life, as those of war and husbandry, are, with others of little less consequence, performed in the fields and in the open air, and that the greatest part of mankind accustom themselves so little to endure the inclemency of the seasons, to suffer heat and cold? Is not this a great neglect? and do you not think that a man who is to command others ought to inure himself to all these hardships?” “I think he ought,” answered Aristippus. “Therefore,” replied Socrates, “if they who are patient and laborious, as we have said, are worthy to command, may we not say that they who can do nothing of all this, ought never to pretend to any office?” Aristippus agreed to it, and Socrates went on.

In the same way, he encouraged his listeners with these points to endure hunger and thirst, resist the temptations of love, avoid laziness, and get used to all kinds of hard work. When he learned that one of them lived too lavishly, he asked, "If you were responsible, Aristippus, for educating two young men, one to be a prince and the other a regular citizen, how would you teach them? Let's start with their diet, since that's the foundation of everything." "It's true," said Aristippus, "that diet is the basis of our life, because a person won’t last long without proper nourishment." "You would train both of them," Socrates said, "to eat and drink at certain times?" "That seems likely," Aristippus replied. "But which of the two," Socrates continued, "would you teach to stop eating before he was full to focus on important tasks?" "That would definitely be the one I intended to equip for leadership so that the Republic's concerns wouldn't be delayed," Aristippus answered. "Which of the two," Socrates asked, "would you teach to avoid drinking when he was thirsty, to sleep little, to stay up late, to wake up early, to watch over things all night, to live chastely, to overcome his desires, and not to shy away from challenges, but to embrace them?" "It would still be the same one," Aristippus said. "And if there’s any skill that teaches how to defeat our enemies, which of the two would it be more reasonable to teach?" "To him as well," Aristippus replied, "because without that skill, nothing else would matter." "I believe," Socrates said, "that a man trained this way would not easily fall prey to his enemies like most animals do. Some perish from their greed, tempted by bait or drink, and despite their fears and instinctive wariness, they get caught in traps. Others fall victim to their lust, like quails and partridges, that are lured in by a fake female call and blindly chase their passion, ultimately ending up in nets." "You are right," Aristippus agreed. "Well then," Socrates continued, "isn’t it disgraceful for a person to be trapped by the same snares as irrational animals? Don’t adulterers, who sneak around and hide in the bedrooms of married women, face the same fate, knowing they take a huge risk and that the laws against such actions are strict? They know they are being watched, and if caught, they won’t escape punishment. In short, they see repercussions and shame looming over them like a storm cloud. Furthermore, they are aware that there are many honorable distractions to free them from those infamous cravings, yet they recklessly throw themselves into these dangers—what does that say about their state of mind?" "I agree," Aristippus replied. "What do you think about this," Socrates continued, "that the most vital and important matters in life, such as war and farming, along with other significant tasks, are often carried out in the fields and outdoors, while most people hardly prepare themselves to withstand the harshness of the weather and endure extremes of heat and cold? Isn’t this a severe oversight? Don’t you think that a person meant to lead others should be tough enough to handle all these hardships?" "I believe he should," Aristippus said. "Therefore," Socrates concluded, "if those who are patient and hardworking deserve to lead, can we not say those who are incapable of doing any of this should never aspire to hold any position of responsibility?" Aristippus agreed, and Socrates went on.

“Since then you know the rank which either of these two sorts of men ought to hold, amongst which would you have us place you?” “Me!” said Aristippus; “why truly, not amongst those that govern; for that is an office I would never choose. Let those rule who have a mind for it; for my part, I envy not their condition. For, when I reflect that we find it hard enough to supply our own wants, I do not approve of loading ourselves, besides, with the necessities of a whole people; and that being often compelled to go without many things that we desire, we should engage ourselves in an employment that would render us liable to blame, if we did not take care to supply others with everything they want: I think there is folly in all this. For republics make use of their magistrates as I do of my slaves, who shall get me my meat and drink, and all other necessaries, as I command, and not presume to touch any of it themselves; so, too, the people will have those, who govern the State, take care to provide them with plenty of all things, and will not suffer them to do anything for their own advantage. I think, therefore, that all who are pleased with a hurry of affairs, and in creating business for others, are most fit to govern, provided they have been educated and instructed in the manner we mentioned. But, for my part, I desire to lead a more quiet and easy life.”

“Since then you know the rank that either of these two types of men should hold, which would you have us place you?” “Me!” said Aristippus; “well, definitely not among those who govern; that’s not a job I would ever choose. Let those rule who want to; I don’t envy their position. When I think about how hard it is to meet our own needs, I don’t see value in adding the burdens of an entire population. We often have to go without things we want, so why would we take on a role that would leave us open to criticism if we didn’t make sure everyone else got everything they need? That seems foolish to me. Republics use their leaders like I use my servants, who get me my food and drinks, and all my other necessities, as I instruct, without thinking they can take any for themselves. Similarly, the people expect those who govern the State to provide them with plenty of everything, and they won’t allow them to do anything for their own benefit. Therefore, I believe that those who enjoy a flurry of activity and creating tasks for others are best suited to govern, as long as they’ve been educated and trained as we’ve discussed. But for me, I prefer to live a quieter, easier life.”

“Let us,” said Socrates, “consider whether they who govern lead more happy lives than their subjects: among the nations that are known to us in Asia, the Syrians, the Phrygians, and the Lydians, are under the empire of the Persians. In Europe, the Mæotians are subject to the Scythians; in Africa, the Carthaginians reign over the rest of the Africans. Which now, in your opinion, are the most happy? Let us look into Greece, where you are at present. Whose condition, think you, is most to be desired, that of the nations who rule, or of the people who are under the dominion of others?” “I can never,” said Aristippus, “consent to be a slave; but there is a way between both that leads neither to empire nor subjection, and this is the road of liberty, in which I endeavour to walk, because it is the shortest to arrive at true quiet and repose.” “If you had said,” replied Socrates, “that this way, which leads neither to empire nor subjection, is a way that leads far from all human society, you would, perhaps, have said something; for, how can we live among men, and neither command nor obey? Do you not observe that the mighty oppress the weak, and use them as their slaves, after they have made them groan under the weight of oppression, and given them just cause to complain of their cruel usage, in a thousand instances, both general and particular? And if they find any who will not submit to the yoke, they ravage their countries, spoil their corn, cut down their trees, and attack them, in short, in such a manner that they are compelled to yield themselves up to slavery, rather than undergo so unequal a war? Among private men themselves, do not the stronger and more bold trample on the weaker?” “To the end, therefore, that this may not happen to me,” said Aristippus, “I confine myself not to any republic, but am sometimes here, sometimes there, and think it best to be a stranger wherever I am.” “This invention of yours,” replied Socrates, “is very extraordinary. Travellers, I believe, are not now so much infested on the roads by robbers as formerly, deterred, I suppose, by the fate of Sinnis, Scyron, Procrustes, and the rest of that gang. What then? They who are settled in their own country, and are concerned in the administration of the public affairs, they have the laws in their favours, have their relations and friends to assist them, have fortified towns and arms for their defence: over and above, they have alliances with their neighbours: and yet all these favourable circumstances cannot entirely shelter them from the attempts and surprises of wicked men. But can you, who have none of these advantages, who are, for the most part, travelling on the roads, often dangerous to most men, who never enter a town, where you have not less credit than the meanest inhabitant, and are as obscure as the wretches who prey on the properties of others; in these circumstances, can you, I say, expect to be safe, merely because you are a stranger, or perhaps have got passports from the States that promise you all manner of safety coming or going, or should it be your hard fortune to be made a slave, you would make such a bad one, that a master would be never the better for you? For, who would suffer in his family a man who would not work, and yet expected to live well? But let us see how masters use such servants.

“Let’s,” said Socrates, “think about whether those in power have happier lives than those they govern. Among the nations we know in Asia, the Syrians, the Phrygians, and the Lydians are ruled by the Persians. In Europe, the Mæotians are under the Scythians; in Africa, the Carthaginians rule over the other Africans. Who do you think is the happiest? Let’s consider Greece, where you are now. Which situation do you think is more desirable, that of the nations in power or of the people under someone else's control?” “I could never,” said Aristippus, “agree to be a slave; but there’s a middle ground that doesn’t involve ruling or being ruled, and that’s the path of freedom, which I strive to follow because it’s the quickest way to find true peace and relaxation.” “If you had said,” Socrates replied, “that this path, which doesn’t involve ruling or being ruled, actually takes you far away from human society, you might have had a point; because how can we coexist with others without commanding or obeying? Don’t you see that the powerful oppress the weak and use them as their slaves? They make them suffer under the burden of oppression, giving them plenty of reasons to complain about their cruel treatment in many ways, both in general and in specific instances. And if they encounter anyone who refuses to submit, they invade their lands, destroy their crops, cut down their trees, and attack them so that they’re forced to give in to slavery rather than endure such an unfair fight. Even among individuals, don’t the stronger and bolder take advantage of the weaker?” “So, to prevent this from happening to me,” Aristippus said, “I don’t settle in any one place; I move around, thinking it best to be a stranger wherever I go.” “This idea of yours,” replied Socrates, “is quite unusual. I think travelers these days aren’t as often attacked on the roads by robbers as they were in the past, likely because they are deterred by the fates of Sinnis, Scyron, Procrustes, and others like them. But even so? Those who live in their own countries, involved in public affairs, have the laws on their side, the support of family and friends, fortified towns, and weapons for their protection. Plus, they often have alliances with their neighbors, and yet even with all these advantages, they can’t completely avoid the threats and surprises from wicked individuals. But you, who have none of these benefits, who mostly travel on roads that are often dangerous for many, who never enter a town unless you have as little credibility as the poorest local, and who are just as obscure as those who exploit others—can you honestly expect to be safe just because you’re a stranger, or because you might have travel documents from states promising you safety in your comings and goings? Or if you should happen to become a slave, do you think you’d make such a poor one that your master would gain nothing from you? Who would want to keep someone in their household who wouldn’t work but still expected to live well? Let’s consider how masters treat such servants.”

“When they are too lascivious, they compel them to fast till they have brought them so low, that they have no great stomach to make love, if they are thieves, they prevent them from stealing, by carefully locking up whatever they could take: they chain them for fear they should run away: if they are dull and lazy, then stripes and scourges are the rewards we give them. If you yourself, my friend, had a worthless slave, would you not take the same measures with him?” “I would treat such a fellow,” answered Aristippus, “with all manner of severity, till I had brought him to serve me better. But, Socrates, let us resume our former discourse.”

“When they are too promiscuous, they make them fast until they’re so weak that they’re not really in the mood for intimacy. If they’re thieves, they stop them from stealing by locking up anything they could take. They chain them in case they try to escape. If they’re slow and lazy, we give them stripes and whips as punishment. If you, my friend, had a useless slave, wouldn’t you do the same?” “I would be very harsh with someone like that,” Aristippus replied, “until I got them to serve me better. But, Socrates, let’s go back to our previous conversation.”

“In what do they who are educated in the art of government, which you seem to think a great happiness, differ from those who suffer through necessity? For you say they must accustom themselves to hunger and thirst, to endure cold and heat, to sleep little, and that they must voluntarily expose themselves to a thousand other fatigues and hardships. Now, I cannot conceive what difference there is between being whipped willingly and by force, and tormenting one’s body either one way or the other, except that it is a folly in a man to be willing to suffer pain.” “How,” said Socrates, “you know not this difference between things voluntary and constrained, that he who suffers hunger because he is pleased to do so may likewise eat when he has a mind; and he who suffers thirst because he is willing may also drink when he pleases. But it is not in the power of him who suffers either of them through constraint and necessity to relieve himself by eating and drinking the moment he desires it? Besides, he that voluntarily embraceth any laborious exercise finds much comfort and content in the hope that animates him. Thus the fatigues of hunting discourage not the hunters, because they hope to take the game they pursue. And yet what they take, though they think it a reward for all their toil, is certainly of very little value. Ought not they, then, who labour to gain the friendship of good men, or to overcome their enemies, or to render themselves capable of governing their families, and of serving their country, ought not these, I say, joyfully to undertake the trouble, and to rest content, conscious of the inward approbation of their own minds, and the regard and esteem of the virtuous? And to convince you that it is good to impose labours on ourselves, it is a maxim among those who instruct youth that the exercises which are easily performed at the first attempt, and which we immediately take delight in, are not capable to form the body to that vigour and strength that is requisite in great undertakings, nor of imprinting in the soul any considerable knowledge: but that those which require patience, application, labour, and assiduity, prepare the way to illustrious actions and great achievements. This is the opinion of good judges, and of Hesiod in particular, who says somewhere—

“In what way do those who are educated in the art of government, which you seem to consider a great blessing, differ from those who suffer out of necessity? You say that they have to get used to hunger and thirst, endure cold and heat, sleep little, and willingly subject themselves to a thousand other hardships. I can't see any difference between being whipped willingly or by force, or tormenting one’s body in either situation, other than that it's foolish for a person to choose to suffer pain.” “How,” said Socrates, “do you not recognize this difference between voluntary and forced actions? The person who endures hunger because they choose to can also eat when they want, and the one who suffers from thirst because they willingly endure it can drink when they please. However, the person who suffers either hunger or thirst due to constraint and necessity cannot relieve themselves by eating or drinking whenever they wish. Additionally, the person who voluntarily takes on any strenuous task finds a lot of comfort and satisfaction in the hope that drives them. The struggles of hunting don’t discourage hunters because they hope to catch the game they are pursuing. Yet what they catch, though they see it as a reward for their efforts, is truly not worth much. Shouldn’t those who strive to earn the friendship of good people, overcome their enemies, or make themselves capable of governing their families and serving their country happily undertake the challenges, feeling content in the knowledge of their own moral approval, along with the respect and esteem of the virtuous? And to convince you that it's beneficial to take on challenges ourselves, there's a saying among those who teach youth that exercises which are easy to perform at first and which we enjoy right away aren’t able to develop the body into the strength and vigor needed for significant tasks, nor can they instill any real knowledge in the soul. It’s those that require patience, focus, hard work, and dedication that pave the way for remarkable actions and great achievements. This is the consensus of wise judges, especially Hesiod, who says somewhere—”

‘To Vice, in crowded ranks, the course we steer,
The road is smooth, and her abode is near;
But Virtue’s heights are reached with sweat and pain,
For thus did the immortal powers ordain.
A long and rough ascent leads to her gate,
Nor, till the summit’s gained, doth toil abate.’

‘To Vice, in crowded ranks, the path we take,
The way is easy, and her home is close;
But the heights of Virtue are reached through hard work and struggle,
For that's how the immortal powers decided it.
A long and tough climb leads to her entrance,
And only when the peak is reached does the effort ease.’

And to the same purpose Epicharmus:—

And for the same reason, Epicharmus:—

“The gods confer their blessings at the price
Of labour—.”

“The gods grant their blessings at the cost
Of hard work—.”

Who remarks in another place—

Who notes elsewhere—

“Thou son of sloth, avoid the charms of ease,
Lest pain succeed—.”

“Hey, lazy person, stay away from the allure of comfort,
Or else you’ll end up in pain—.”

“Of the same opinion is Prodicus, in the book he has written of the life of Hercules, where Virtue and Pleasure make their court to that hero under the appearance of two beautiful women. His words, as near as I can remember, are as follows:—

“Prodicus shares the same view in his book about the life of Hercules, where Virtue and Pleasure present themselves to the hero as two beautiful women. As I recall, his words are approximately as follows:—

“‘When Hercules,’ says the moralist, ‘had arrived at that part of his youth in which young men commonly choose for themselves, and show, by the result of their choice, whether they will, through the succeeding stages of their lives, enter into and walk in the path of virtue or that of vice, he went out into a solitary place fit for contemplation, there to consider with himself which of those two paths he should pursue.

“‘When Hercules,’ says the moralist, ‘reached that point in his youth when young men usually make their choices, showing by what they decide whether they will follow a life of virtue or one of vice, he went out to a quiet place suitable for reflection, to think about which of those two paths he should take.’”

“‘As he was sitting there in suspense he saw two women of a larger stature than ordinary approaching towards him. One of them had a genteel and amiable aspect; her beauty was natural and easy, her person and shape clean and handsome, her eyes cast towards the ground with an agreeable reserve, her motion and behaviour full of modesty, and her raiment white as snow. The other wanted all the native beauty and proportion of the former; her person was swelled, by luxury and ease, to a size quite disproportioned and uncomely. She had painted her complexion, that it might seem fairer and more ruddy than it really was, and endeavoured to appear more graceful than ordinary in her mien, by a mixture of affectation in all her gestures. Her eyes were full of confidence, and her dress transparent, that the conceited beauty of her person might appear through it to advantage. She cast her eyes frequently upon herself, then turned them on those that were present, to see whether any one regarded her, and now and then looked on the figure she made in her own shadow.

“‘As he sat there in suspense, he saw two women approaching him who were taller than average. One had a classy and friendly look; her beauty was natural and effortless, her figure clean and attractive, her eyes lowered with a pleasant shyness, her movements and demeanor full of modesty, and her outfit as white as snow. The other lacked all the innate beauty and proportion of the first; her body was puffed up from indulgence and comfort, making her look quite unappealing. She had painted her face to appear fairer and more vibrant than it really was and tried to look more graceful than usual by mixing in some pretentiousness in all her gestures. Her eyes were full of confidence, and her outfit was sheer so that the conceited beauty of her figure would show through to advantage. She frequently glanced at herself, then looked at those around her to see if anyone noticed her, and occasionally checked the shape she made in her own shadow.

“‘As they drew nearer, the former continued the same composed pace, while the latter, striving to get before her, ran up to Hercules, and addressed herself to him in the following manner:—

“‘As they got closer, the former kept the same calm pace, while the latter, trying to get ahead of her, rushed up to Hercules and spoke to him like this:—

“I perceive, my dear Hercules, you are in doubt which path in life you should pursue. If, then, you will be my friend and follow me, I will lead you to a path the most easy and most delightful, wherein you shall taste all the sweets of life, and live exempt from every trouble. You shall neither be concerned in war nor in the affairs of the world, but shall only consider how to gratify all your senses—your taste with the finest dainties and most delicious drink, your sight with the most agreeable objects, your scent with the richest perfumes and fragrancy of odours, how you may enjoy the embraces of the fair, repose on the softest beds, render your slumbers sweet and easy, and by what means enjoy, without even the smallest care, all those glorious and mighty blessings.

“I can see, my dear Hercules, that you're uncertain about which direction to take in life. If you choose to be my friend and come along with me, I’ll show you a path that’s the easiest and most enjoyable, where you can savor all the pleasures of life and live free from any worries. You won’t have to deal with war or the troubles of the world; instead, you’ll focus on indulging your senses—treating your taste buds to the finest foods and drinks, your eyes to beautiful sights, your nose to the richest perfumes and delightful scents, experiencing the embraces of lovely companions, relaxing on the softest beds, ensuring your sleep is sweet and restful, and effortlessly enjoying all those amazing and powerful blessings.”

“And, for fear you suspect that the sources whence you are to derive those invaluable blessings might at some time or other fail, and that you might, of course, be obliged to acquire them at the expense of your mind and the united labour and fatigue of your body, I beforehand assure you that you shall freely enjoy all from the industry of others, undergo neither hardship nor drudgery, but have everything at your command that can afford you any pleasure or advantage.”

“And, in case you worry that the sources from which you will gain those invaluable blessings might at some point run dry, and that you might have to obtain them at the cost of your mental effort and the hard work of your body, I assure you now that you will freely enjoy everything from the efforts of others, endure neither hardship nor toil, but have everything at your disposal that can give you pleasure or benefit.”

“‘Hercules, hearing the lady make him such offers, desired to know her name, to which she answered, “My friends, and those who are well acquainted with me, and whom I have conducted, call me Happiness; but my enemies, and those who would injure my reputation, have given me the name of Pleasure.”

“‘Hercules, hearing the lady make him such offers, wanted to know her name, to which she replied, “My friends, and those who know me well, whom I have guided, call me Happiness; but my enemies, and those who wish to tarnish my reputation, have named me Pleasure.”’

“‘In the meantime, the other lady approached, and in her turn accosted him in this manner:—“I also am come to you, Hercules, to offer my assistance; I, who am well acquainted with your divine extraction and have observed the excellence of your nature, even from your childhood, from which I have reason to hope that, if you would follow the path that leadeth to my residence, you will undertake the greatest enterprises and achieve the most glorious actions, and that I shall thereby become more honourable and illustrious among mortals. But before I invite you into my society and friendship I will be open and sincere with you, and must lay down this as an established truth, that there is nothing truly valuable which can be purchased without pains and labour. The gods have set a price upon every real and noble pleasure. If you would gain the favour of the Deity you must be at the pains of worshipping Him; if you would be beloved by your friends you must study to oblige them; if you would be honoured by any city you must be of service to it; and if you would be admired by all Greece, on account of your probity and valour, you must exert yourself to do her some eminent service. If you would render your fields fruitful, and fill your arms with corn, you must labour to cultivate the soil accordingly. Would you grow rich by your herds, a proper care must be taken of them; would you extend your dominions by arms, and be rendered capable of setting at liberty your captive friends, and bringing your enemies to subjection, you must not only learn of those that are experienced in the art of war, but exercise yourself also in the use of military affairs; and if you would excel in the strength of your body you must keep your body in due subjection to your mind, and exercise it with labour and pains.”

“‘In the meantime, the other lady approached and addressed him like this:—“I’ve come to you, Hercules, to offer my help; I know about your divine lineage and have seen the greatness of your character since you were a child. I believe that if you choose to follow the path to my home, you’ll take on the greatest challenges and achieve the most glorious deeds, which will make me more respected and distinguished among people. But before I invite you into my circle and friendship, I want to be honest with you and lay down this firm truth: nothing truly valuable can be obtained without effort and hard work. The gods have placed a price on every real and worthy pleasure. If you want to earn the favor of the Deity, you need to worship Him; if you want to be loved by your friends, you have to make an effort to please them; if you want to be honored by any city, you must serve it; and if you aspire to be admired by all of Greece for your integrity and bravery, you must strive to do something outstanding for it. If you want your fields to be fruitful and fill your granaries with grain, you must work to cultivate the land correctly. If you want to get rich from your livestock, you need to take good care of them; if you wish to expand your territory through military might and free your captive friends while subduing your enemies, you must not only learn from those experienced in warfare but also practice military skills yourself; and if you want to excel in physical strength, you need to discipline your body to follow your mind and work it out with effort and determination.”

“‘Here Pleasure broke in upon her discourse—“Do you see, my dear Hercules, through what long and difficult ways this woman would lead you to her promised delights? Follow me, and I will show you a much shorter and more easy way to happiness.”

“‘Here Pleasure interrupted her conversation—“Do you see, my dear Hercules, the long and tough paths this woman would take you on to reach her promised pleasures? Follow me, and I’ll show you a much quicker and simpler route to happiness.”’”

“Alas!” replied the Goddess of Virtue, whose visage glowed with a passion made up of scorn and pity, “what happiness can you bestow, or what pleasure can you taste, who would never do anything to acquire it? You who will take your fill of all pleasures before you feel an appetite for any; you eat before you are hungry, you drink before you are athirst; and, that you may please your taste, must have the finest artists to prepare your viands; the richest wines that you may drink with pleasure, and to give your wine the finer taste, you search every place for ice and snow luxuriously to cool it in the heat of summer. Then, to make your slumbers uninterrupted, you must have the softest down and the easiest couches, and a gentle ascent of steps to save you from any the least disturbance in mounting up to them. And all little enough, heaven knows! for you have not prepared yourself for sleep by anything you have done, but seek after it only because you have nothing to do. It is the same in the enjoyments of love, in which you rather force than follow your inclinations, and are obliged to use arts, and even to pervert nature, to keep your passions alive. Thus is it that you instruct your followers—kept awake for the greatest part of the night by debaucheries, and consuming in drowsiness all the most useful part of the day. Though immortal, you are an outcast from the gods, and despised by good men. Never have you heard that most agreeable of all sounds, your own praise, nor ever have you beheld the most pleasing of all objects, any good work of your own hands. Who would ever give any credit to anything that you say? Who would assist you in your necessity, or what man of sense would ever venture to be of your mad parties? Such as do follow you are robbed of their strength when they are young, void of wisdom when they grow old. In their youth they are bred up in indolence and all manner of delicacy, and pass their old age with difficulties and distress, full of shame for what they have done, and oppressed with the burden of what they are to do, squanderers of pleasures in their youth, and hoarders up of afflictions for their old age.

“Alas!” replied the Goddess of Virtue, her face shining with a mix of scorn and pity, “what happiness can you offer, or what pleasure can you experience, if you never do anything to earn it? You fill yourself with all kinds of pleasures before you even have an appetite for them; you eat before you’re hungry, you drink before you're thirsty; and to please your palate, you demand only the finest chefs to prepare your meals; the richest wines to enjoy, and to enhance your wine's flavor, you search everywhere for ice and snow to luxuriously chill it in the summer heat. Then, to ensure you sleep soundly, you insist on the softest down and the most comfortable couches, with gentle stairs so you suffer no disturbance when going up to them. And it’s all hardly enough, heaven knows! because you haven’t earned your sleep by any effort, but seek it simply because you have nothing else to do. It’s the same with the pleasures of love, where you force rather than follow your desires, relying on trickery, even distorting nature to keep your passions alive. This is how you guide your followers—keeping them up most of the night indulging in excess, wasting the most productive part of the day in drowsiness. Though you’re immortal, you’re shunned by the gods, and looked down upon by decent people. You’ve never heard that sweetest of sounds, your own praise, nor seen the most delightful sight, any good work created by your own hands. Who would ever believe anything you say? Who would help you when you’re in need, or what sensible person would ever join your reckless parties? Those who do follow you lose their strength in youth, and lack wisdom as they age. In their youth, they’re raised in laziness and all sorts of indulgences, and enter old age facing hardship and distress, filled with shame for what they’ve done, burdened by what they still must face, squanderers of pleasures in their youth, and collectors of suffering for their old age.

“On the contrary, my conversation is with the gods, and with good men, and there is nothing excellent performed by either without my influence. I am respected above all things by the gods and by the best of mortals, and it is just I should. I am an agreeable companion to the artisan, a faithful security to masters of families, a kind assistant to servants, a useful associate in the arts of peace, a faithful ally in the labours of war, and the best uniter of all friendships.

“On the contrary, I talk with the gods and with good people, and nothing great is accomplished by either without my influence. I am valued above all by the gods and the best among humans, and rightfully so. I am a pleasant friend to the craftsman, a reliable support to family heads, a helpful partner to workers, a valuable collaborator in peaceful efforts, a loyal ally in wartime, and the greatest uniter of all friendships.”

“My votaries, too, enjoy a pleasure in everything they either eat or drink, even without having laboured for it, because they wait for the demand of their appetites. Their sleep is sweeter than that of the indolent and inactive; and they are neither overburdened with it when they awake, nor do they, for the sake of it, omit the necessary duties of life. My young men have the pleasure of being praised by those who are in years, and those who are in years of being honoured by those who are young. They look back with comfort on their past actions, and delight themselves in their present employments. By my means they are favoured by the gods, beloved by their friends, and honoured by their country; and when the appointed period of their lives is come they are not lost in a dishonourable oblivion, but live and flourish in the praises of mankind, even to the latest posterity.”

“My followers also find joy in everything they eat or drink, even without working for it, because they know how to satisfy their appetites. Their sleep is more refreshing than that of those who are lazy and inactive; they don't feel weighed down when they wake up, nor do they skip their important responsibilities just for the sake of sleep. My young men enjoy being praised by older people, and older people take pride in being honored by the young. They look back on their past actions with satisfaction and take pleasure in what they do now. Through my influence, they are favored by the gods, cherished by their friends, and respected by their country; and when the time of their lives comes to an end, they are not forgotten in shameful obscurity, but instead, they live on in the admiration of society, even for future generations.”

“Thus, my dear Hercules, who are descended of divine ancestors, you may acquire, by virtuous toil and industry, this most desirable state of perfect happiness.”

“Therefore, my dear Hercules, who comes from divine ancestors, you can achieve this highly sought-after state of perfect happiness through hard work and dedication.”

“Such was the discourse, my friend, which the goddess had with Hercules, according to Prodicus. You may believe that he embellished the thoughts with more noble expressions than I do. I heartily wish, my dear Aristippus, that you should make such an improvement of those divine instructions, as that you too may make such a happy choice as may render you happy during the future course of your life.”

“Such was the conversation, my friend, that the goddess had with Hercules, according to Prodicus. You can trust that he crafted the ideas with more elegant expressions than I do. I truly hope, my dear Aristippus, that you take such an enhancement from those divine teachings, so that you too can make a choice that leads to your happiness in the journey ahead in your life.”

CHAPTER II. SOCRATES’ DISCOURSE WITH HIS ELDEST SON LAMPROCLES CONCERNING THE RESPECT DUE TO PARENTS.

Socrates observing his eldest son Lamprocles in a rage with his mother, spoke to him in this manner:—“Come hither, my son. Have you ever heard of a certain sort of men, who are called ungrateful?” “Very often,” answered the young man. “And do you know,” said Socrates, “why they are called so?” “We call a man ungrateful,” answered Lamprocles, “who, having received a kindness, does not return the like if occasion offers.” “I think, therefore,” said Socrates, “ingratitude is a kind of injustice?” “I think so too,” answered Lamprocles. Socrates went on:—“Have you never considered of what nature this injustice is? For since it is an injustice to treat our friends ill, and on the contrary, a piece of justice to make our enemies smart for their conduct, may it be said, with like reason, that it is an injustice to be ungrateful towards our friends, and that it is just to be ungrateful towards our enemies.” “On mature consideration,” answered Lamprocles, “I think it is criminal to do injustice to either of them.” “If, then,” pursued Socrates, “ingratitude be an injustice, it follows that the greater the favours are which we have received, the greater is the injustice in not acknowledging them.” Lamprocles granted this consequence, and Socrates continued—“Can there be any stricter obligations than those that children are laid under to their parents? For it is they who gave them a being, and who have put them in a condition to behold all the wonders of Nature, and to partake of the many good things exhibited before them by the bounty of Providence, and which are so delightful, that there is not anything that all men more dread than to leave them; insomuch that all governments have ordained death to be the punishment of the most enormous crimes, because there is nothing can more effectually put a stop to the rage of the wicked than the apprehension of death. In the affair of marriage, it is not merely the gratification of the appetite which Nature has so strongly implanted in both sexes for their preservation that we regard; no, that passion can be satisfied in a less expensive manner, even in our streets, and other places; but when we design to enter into that state, we make choice of a woman of such a form and shape, by whom we may expect to have fine children, and of such a temper and disposition as to assure us of future happiness. When that is finished, it is then the chief care of the husband to maintain his wife, and to provide for his children things useful for life in the greatest abundance he can. On the part of the wife, many are her anxieties and troubles for the preservation of her offspring during the time of her pregnancy; she gives it then part of her nourishment and life; and after having suffered the sharpest pangs at the moment of its birth, she then gives it suck, and continues her care and love to it. All this she does to the poor helpless infant, so void of reason, that it knows not even her that is so good to it, nor can ask her for its own necessities. Full of tenderness for the welfare and happiness of her babe, her whole time, day and night, is spent in pleasing it, without the least prospect of any recompense for all her fatigue. After this, when the children are come to an age fit to be instructed, the fathers teach them all the good things they can for the conduct of their life; and if they know any man more capable to instruct them than themselves, they send them to him, without regard to the expense, thus indicating by their whole conduct, what sincere pleasure it would afford them to see their children turn out men of virtue and probity.” “Undoubtedly,” answered Lamprocles, “if my mother had done all this, and an hundred times as much, no man could suffer her ill-humours?” “Do not you think,” said Socrates, “that the anger of a beast is much more difficult to support than that of a mother?” “Not of a mother like her,” said Lamprocles. Socrates continued, “What strange thing has she done to you? Has she bit you, has she kicked you, as beasts do when they are angry?” “She has a tongue that no mortal can suffer,” answered Lamprocles. “And you,” replied Socrates, “how many crosses did you give her in your infancy by your continual bawling and importunate actions? how much trouble by night and by day? how much affliction in your illnesses?” “At worst,” answered Lamprocles, “I never did nor said anything that might make her blush.” “Alas!” said Socrates, “is it more difficult for you to hear in patience the hasty expressions of your mother, than it is for the comedians to hear what they say to one another on the stage when they fall into the most injurious reproaches? For they easily suffer it, knowing well that when one reviles another, he reviles him not with intent to injure him; and when one threatens another, he threatens not with design to do him any harm. You who are fully convinced likewise of the intentions of your mother, and who know very well that the hard words she gives you do not proceed from hate, but that she has a great affection for you, how can you, then, be angry with her? Is it because you imagine that she wishes you ill?” “Not in the least,” answered Lamprocles; “I never had such a thought.” “What!” continued Socrates; “a mother that loves you; a mother who, in your sickness, does all she can to recover your health, who takes care that you want for nothing, who makes so many vows to heaven for you; you say this is an ill mother? In truth, if you cannot live with her, I will say you cannot live at your ease. Tell me, in short, do you believe you ought to have any reverence or respect for any one whatever? Or do you not care for any man’s favour and goodwill, neither for that of a general, suppose, or of any other magistrate?” “On the contrary,” said Lamprocles, “I am very careful to gain the goodwill of all men.” “Perhaps you would endeavour to acquire the goodwill of your neighbour, to the end he might do you kind offices, such as giving you fire when you want it, or, when any misfortune befalls you, speedily relieve you?” “Yes, I would.” “And if you were travelling with any man, either by sea or land, would you count it a matter of indifference whether you were loved by him or not?” “No, indeed.” “Are you then so abandoned, Lamprocles,” replied Socrates, “that you would take pains to acquire the goodwill of those persons, and yet will do nothing to your mother, who loves you incomparably better than they? Know you not that the Republic concerns not herself with common instances of ingratitude; that she takes no cognisance of such crimes, and that she neglects to punish those who do not return the civilities they receive? But if any one be disrespectful to his parents there is a punishment provided for such ingratitude; the laws reject him as an outlaw, and will not allow him to be received into any public office, because it is a maxim commonly received amongst us, that a sacrifice, when offered by an impious hand, cannot be acceptable to the gods, nor profitable to the Republic. Nobody can believe, that a person of such a character can be capable to perform any great or worthy action, or to act the part of a righteous judge. The same punishment is ordained likewise for those who, after the death of their parents, neglect to honour their funerals: and this is particularly examined into in the inquiry that is made into the lives of such as stand candidates for offices.

Socrates, watching his eldest son Lamprocles lose his temper with his mother, said to him, “Come here, my son. Have you ever heard of a certain kind of men called ungrateful?” “Very often,” the young man replied. “And do you know,” Socrates asked, “why they are called that?” “We call a man ungrateful,” Lamprocles said, “who, having received a kindness, does not return it when he has the chance.” “So, I think,” Socrates said, “that ingratitude is a kind of injustice?” “I think so too,” Lamprocles agreed. Socrates continued, “Have you ever thought about the nature of this injustice? Since it’s unjust to treat our friends poorly and just to make our enemies feel the consequences of their actions, can we not also say that it’s unjust to be ungrateful to our friends, and just to be ungrateful to our enemies?” “On reconsideration,” Lamprocles said, “I believe it’s wrong to do injustice to either of them.” “If,” Socrates said, “ingratitude is indeed an injustice, it follows that the greater the favors we’ve received, the greater the injustice in failing to acknowledge them.” Lamprocles accepted this, and Socrates continued, “Are there stricter obligations than those that children have to their parents? They are the ones who brought you into existence and allowed you to see all the wonders of nature, as well as enjoy the many blessings provided by nature itself, which are so enjoyable that nothing frightens people more than the thought of losing them. This is why all governments have set death as the punishment for the most serious crimes, for nothing else stops the wicked better than the fear of death. In marriage, it’s not just the natural desire that drives us, since that can be satisfied in simpler ways, even on the streets; when we decide to marry, we choose a woman based on her appearance, hoping to have beautiful children, and her personality, making sure she brings us future happiness. Once that’s settled, it becomes the main responsibility of the husband to support his wife and provide for their children as abundantly as possible. For the wife, there are many anxieties and challenges during her pregnancy; she shares her nourishment and life with the helpless infant, who doesn’t even recognize her kindness or ask for what it needs. Filled with love for her child’s well-being, she dedicates all her time, day and night, to its happiness, without any expectation of reward for her efforts. Later, when the children are old enough to learn, fathers teach them everything they can about living well; if they know someone more qualified to do so, they send their children to that person, regardless of the cost, showing their genuine pleasure in seeing their children grow into virtuous individuals.” “Absolutely,” Lamprocles replied, “if my mother had done all this, and even more, no one could put up with her bad moods!” “Don’t you think,” Socrates said, “that the anger of a beast is much harder to bear than that of a mother?” “Not a mother like her,” Lamprocles shot back. Socrates pressed on, “What terrible thing has she done to you? Has she bitten you, or kicked you like a beast would when angry?” “She has a tongue that no one can endure,” Lamprocles answered. “And you,” Socrates replied, “how many troubles did you give her as a baby with your constant crying and annoying actions? How much trouble day and night? How much distress during your sickness?” “At worst,” Lamprocles said, “I never did anything to make her blush.” “Oh!” Socrates lamented, “is it harder for you to patiently handle your mother’s outbursts than it is for comedians to deal with each other’s harsh words on stage? They accept it easily, knowing that when one insults another, they don’t intend to cause real harm; and when one threatens another, it’s not with the intent to injure. You, who also know your mother’s intentions, understand that her harsh remarks are not out of hate but out of love, so how can you be angry with her? Is it because you think she wishes you ill?” “Not at all,” Lamprocles replied; “I’ve never thought that.” “What!” Socrates continued; “a mother who loves you? A mother who does everything she can to help you recover when you’re sick, makes sure you have everything you need, who prays for you? You consider this an unloving mother? If you can’t live with her, I would say you can’t live well anywhere. Tell me, do you believe you should have any respect for anyone at all? Or do you not care for anyone’s goodwill, not even that of a general or any other official?” “On the contrary,” Lamprocles answered, “I take care to gain the goodwill of everyone.” “Perhaps you would try to earn your neighbor’s favor so they might help you, like lending you fire when needed, or assisting you in times of trouble?” “Yes, I would.” “And if you were traveling with someone, either by sea or land, would you not care whether they liked you?” “No, indeed.” “So, are you really so lost, Lamprocles,” asked Socrates, “that you would go out of your way to earn the goodwill of strangers but not do anything for your mother, who loves you much more than they do? Don’t you understand that society does not concern itself much with common offenses of ingratitude; it doesn’t punish those who fail to return kindnesses? But if someone disrespects their parents, there are serious penalties for such ingratitude; the laws treat them as outlaws and won’t allow them to hold any public office because we all believe that a sacrifice offered by someone ungrateful cannot be pleasing to the gods or beneficial to society. No one believes that someone like that can perform great deeds or act as a fair judge. The same punishment also applies to those who, after their parents’ death, fail to honor their funerals; and this is scrutinized in the inquiries done for candidates for office.

“Therefore, my son, if you be wise, you will beseech Heaven to pardon you the offences committed against your mother, to the end that the favours of the Deity may be still continued to you, and that you may not forfeit them by an ungrateful behaviour. Take care, likewise, that the public may not discover the contempt you show her, for then would you be blamed and abandoned by all the world; for, if it were suspected that you did not gratefully resent the benefits conferred on you by your parents, no man could believe you would be grateful for any kind actions that others might do you.”

“Therefore, my son, if you are wise, you will ask Heaven to forgive you for the sins you’ve committed against your mother so that you can continue to receive blessings from the Deity and not lose them through ungrateful behavior. Also, make sure that the public doesn’t see the disrespect you show her, or you’ll be criticized and shunned by everyone. If people think you don’t appreciate what your parents have done for you, no one would believe you would be grateful for any kindness from others.”

CHAPTER III. SOCRATES RECONCILES CHAEREPHON AND CHAERECRATES, TWO BROTHERS WHO WERE FORMERLY AT VARIANCE.

Two brothers, whose names were Chaerephon and Chaerecrates, were at enmity with each other. Socrates was acquainted with them, and had a great mind to make them friends. Meeting therefore with Chaerecrates, he accosted him thus:—“Are you, too, one of those who prefer the being rich to the having a brother, and who do not consider that riches, being inanimate things, have need of being defended, whereas a brother is himself a good defence, and, after all, that there is more money than brothers? For is it not extravagant in such men to imagine that a brother does them wrong because they enjoy not his estate? Why say they not likewise, that all the world does them wrong, because they are not in possession of what belongs to the rest of mankind? But they believe, with great reason, that it is better to live in society and to be ensured of a moderate estate than to have the sole possession of all that is their neighbours’, and to be exposed to the dangers that are inseparable from solitude. Nevertheless, they are not of the same opinion as to the company of their brothers. If they are rich they buy themselves slaves to serve them, they procure themselves friends to stand by them; but for their brothers they neglect them; as if a brother were not so fit to make a friend of as another person. And yet it is of great efficacy towards the begetting and establishing of friendships to have been born of the same parents and brought up together, since even beasts, we see, retain some inclination for those who have come from the same dams, and have been bred up and nourished together. Besides, a man who has a brother is the more regarded for it, and men are more cautious to offend him.” Chaerecrates answered him thus:—

Two brothers, Chaerephon and Chaerecrates, were at odds with each other. Socrates knew them and really wanted to help them become friends. So when he ran into Chaerecrates, he started the conversation by saying: “Are you one of those people who would rather be rich than have a brother? Don’t you realize that money, being just things, needs to be protected, while a brother can actually be a good support? And honestly, there’s more money in the world than there are brothers. Isn’t it ridiculous for people to think a brother has done them wrong just because he doesn’t share his wealth? Why don’t they also claim that everyone else is wronging them since they don’t possess what belongs to others? But they seem to understand, quite rightly, that it’s better to live in a community with a decent amount of resources than to own everything your neighbors have while facing the isolation that comes with it. Yet, they don’t feel the same way about their brothers. If they’re wealthy, they buy slaves to serve them and get friends to support them, but they overlook their brothers as if a brother is less worthy of friendship than anyone else. In reality, having been born of the same parents and growing up together is incredibly effective in forming and solidifying friendships; even animals tend to care for those who come from the same mothers and have been raised together. Plus, a man with a brother earns more respect, and people are more careful not to offend him.” Chaerecrates replied to him:—

“You are indeed in the right to say that a good brother is a great happiness; and, unless there be a very strong cause of dissension, I think that brothers ought a little to bear with one another, and not part on a slight occasion; but when a brother fails in all things, and is quite the reverse of what he ought to be, would you have a man do what is impossible and continue in good amity with such a person?” Socrates replied, “Does your brother give offence to all the world as well as to you? Does nobody speak well of him?” “That,” said Chaerecrates, “is one of the chief causes of the hatred I bear him, for he is sly enough to please others; but whenever we two happen to meet you would think his sole design were to fall out with me.” Socrates replied, “Does not this proceed from what I am going to say? When any man would make use of a horse, and knows not how to govern him, he can expect nothing from him but trouble. Thus, if we know not in what manner to behave ourselves toward our brother, do you think we can expect anything from him but uneasiness?” “Why do you imagine,” said Chaerecrates, “that I am ignorant in what manner I ought to carry myself to a brother, since I can show him as much love and respect, both in my words and actions, as he can show me in his? But when I see a man endeavour to disoblige me all manner of ways, shall I express any goodwill for that man? No; this is what I cannot do, and will not so much as endeavour it.” “I am astonished to hear you talk after this manner,” said Socrates; “pray tell me, if you had a dog that were good to keep your flocks, who should fawn on your shepherds, and grin his teeth and snarl whenever you come in his way, whether, instead of being angry with him, you would not make much of him to bring him to know you? Now, you say that a good brother is a great happiness; you confess that you know how to oblige, and yet you put it not in practice to reconcile yourself with Chaerephon.” “I fear I have not skill enough to compass it.” “I think,” said Socrates, “there will be no need of any extraordinary skill in the matter; and am certain that you have enough to engage him to wish you well, and to have a great value for you.” “Pray,” cried Chaerecrates, “if you know any art I have to make myself beloved, let me know it immediately, for hitherto I never perceived any such thing.” “Answer me,” said Socrates. “If you desired that one of your friends should invite you to his feast when he offered a sacrifice, what course would you take?” “I would begin first to invite him to mine.” “And if you would engage him to take care of your affairs in your absence on a journey, what would you do?” “I would first, during his absence, take care of his.” “And if you would have a foreigner entertain you in his family when you come into his country, what method would you take?” “I would make him welcome at my house when he came to this town, and would endeavour to further the dispatch of his business, that he might do me the like favour when I should be in the city where he lives.” “Strange,” said Socrates, “that you, who know the common methods of ingratiating yourself, will not be at the pains of practising them. Why do you scruple to begin to practise those methods? Is it because you are afraid that, should you begin with your brother, and first do him a kindness, you would appear to be of a mean-spirited and cringing disposition? Believe me, my friend, you will never, on that account, appear such. On the contrary, I take it to be the part of an heroic and generous soul to prevent our friends with kindness and our enemies with valour. Indeed, had I thought that Chaerephon had been more proper than you to propose the reconciliation, I would have endeavoured to have persuaded him to prevent you; but I take you to be more fit to manage this matter, and believe you will bring it to pass rather than he.” “What you say is absurd and unworthy of you,” replied Chaerecrates. “Would you have me break the ice; I, who am the younger brother? Do you forget that among all nations the honour to begin is reserved to the elder?” “How do you mean?” said Socrates. “Must not a younger brother give the precedency to the older? Must he not rise up when he comes in, give him the best place, and hold his peace to let him speak? Delay, therefore, no longer to do what I desire you; go and try to appease your brother. He will receive you with open arms; it is enough that he is a friend to honour, and of a generous temper, for as there is no readier way to gain the goodwill of the mean and poor than by being liberal to them, so nothing has more influence on the mind of a man of honour and note than to treat him with respect and friendship.” Chaerecrates objected: “But when I have done what you say, if my brother should not be better tempered, what then?” “What harm would it be to you?” said Socrates. “It will show your goodness, and that you love him, and make him appear to be ill-natured, and not deserving to be obliged by any man. But I am of opinion this will not happen, and when he sees that you attack him with civilities and good offices, I am certain he will endeavour to get the better of you in so kind and generous a contention. You are now in the most wretched condition imaginable. It is as if the hands which God has given us reciprocally to aid each other were employed only to hinder one another, or as if the feet, which by the divine providence were made to assist each other to walk, were busied only in preventing one another from going forward. Would it not, then, be a great ignorance, and at the same time a great misfortune, to turn to our disadvantage what was made only for our utility? Now, it is certain that God has given us brothers only for our good; and that two brothers are a greater advantage to one another than it can be to either of them to have two hands, two feet, two eyes, and other the like members, which are double in our body, and which Nature has designed as brothers. For the hands cannot at the same time reach two things several fathoms distant from one another; the feet cannot stretch themselves from the end of one fathom to another; the eyes, which seem to discover from so far, cannot, at the same time, see the fore and hind-part of one and the same object; but when two brothers are good friends, no distance of place can hinder them from serving each other.”

“You're absolutely right to say that having a good brother is a huge blessing; and unless there’s a really strong reason to argue, I believe brothers should tolerate each other a bit and not separate over trivial issues. But if a brother fails in everything and is completely the opposite of what he should be, are you seriously asking someone to do the impossible and maintain a good relationship with that person?” Socrates responded, “Does your brother offend everyone around him, not just you? Does no one have anything nice to say about him?” “That,” said Chaerecrates, “is one of the main reasons I dislike him; he’s crafty enough to charm others, but whenever we meet, it seems his only goal is to argue with me.” Socrates replied, “Isn't this what I’m about to explain? When someone tries to use a horse without knowing how to control it, all he can expect is trouble. Similarly, if we don’t know how to act toward our brother, can we really expect anything but conflict from him?” “Why do you think,” Chaerecrates said, “that I don’t know how to treat a brother? I can show him as much love and respect in my words and actions as he shows me in his. But when I see a man trying every way to upset me, should I still express goodwill toward him? No; I simply can’t do that and won’t even try.” “I’m surprised to hear you speak this way,” said Socrates. “Tell me, if you had a dog that was great for keeping your flocks, who would greet your shepherds but growl and snarl at you, wouldn’t you try to win him over instead of getting mad at him? You say a good brother is a huge blessing; you admit you know how to please others, yet you don’t try to reconcile with Chaerephon.” “I’m worried I won’t be able to manage it.” “I don’t think you need any special skills for this; I’m sure you have enough to make him want to like you and hold you in high regard.” “Please,” said Chaerecrates, “if you know of any way I can be liked, let me know, because until now I've seen no sign of it.” “Answer me this,” Socrates said. “If you want a friend to invite you to their feast when they’re making a sacrifice, what would you do?” “I’d start by inviting him to my feast first.” “And if you needed him to watch over your affairs while you’re away on a journey, what would you do?” “I’d take care of his affairs while he’s gone.” “And if you wanted a foreigner to host you when you arrive in his country, what approach would you take?” “I’d welcome him to my home when he comes to my town, and I’d help him wrap up his business so he would do the same for me when I visit his city.” “It’s strange,” said Socrates, “that you, who know how to ingratiate yourself, aren’t making the effort to put it into practice. Why hesitate to start? Is it because you’re afraid that if you begin with your brother by doing him a favor, you’d come off as weak and submissive? Trust me, my friend, you won’t appear that way at all. On the contrary, I believe it takes a brave and generous spirit to shower kindness on our friends and face our enemies with courage. In fact, if I thought Chaerephon were better suited to propose reconciliation than you, I would have tried to convince him to do it instead; but I believe you are more capable of handling this than he is.” “What you’re saying is ridiculous and unworthy of you,” replied Chaerecrates. “Are you saying I should break the ice, being the younger brother? Don’t you remember that in every culture, the elder brother gets the honor of starting the conversation?” “What do you mean?” Socrates asked. “Doesn’t a younger brother have to give way to the older? Shouldn’t he stand when the older brother enters, give him the best seat, and stay silent so he can speak?” “So, waste no more time on what I ask; go and try to make peace with your brother. He will welcome you with open arms; it’s enough that he values honor and has a generous spirit. Just as being generous is the easiest way to win over the lowly and poor, showing respect and friendship is incredibly influential for someone of honor and status.” Chaerecrates countered, “But what if, after I do what you suggest, my brother isn’t any better?” “What harm could that do to you?” Socrates asked. “It will show your goodness and love for him, and will make him look ill-tempered, undeserving of kindness. But I believe that won’t happen; when he sees you approaching him with courtesy and helpfulness, I’m sure he’ll want to outdo you in this kind and generous rivalry. Right now, you’re in a miserable situation. It’s like the hands God gave us, meant to help one another, are only being used to block each other, or like the feet that were created to aid each other in walking are only keeping each other from moving forward. Wouldn’t it be incredibly foolish, and a major misfortune, to turn against our own advantage something designed solely for our benefit? God certainly gave us brothers for our good; and two brothers can provide more support to each other than having two hands, two feet, two eyes, and the other paired parts of our body, which Nature intended to function as brothers. Hands can’t simultaneously reach for two things far apart; feet can’t stretch from one end to another; and eyes can’t see both front and back of one single object at the same time. But when two brothers are good friends, no distance can stop them from helping one another.”

CHAPTER IV. A DISCOURSE OF SOCRATES CONCERNING FRIENDSHIP.

I remember likewise a discourse which I have heard him make concerning friendship, and that may be of great use to instruct us by what means we ought to procure ourselves friends, and in what manner we should live with them. He said “that most men agree that a true friend is a precious treasure, and that nevertheless there is nothing about which we give ourselves so little trouble as to make men our friends. We take care,” said he, “to buy houses, lands, slaves, flocks, and household goods, and when we have them we endeavour to keep them, but though a friend is allowed to be capable of affording us a far greater happiness than any or all of these, yet how few are solicitous to procure themselves a friend, or, when they have, to secure his friendship? Nay, some men are so stupid as to prefer their very slaves to their friends. How else can we account for their want of concern about the latter when either in distress or sickness, and at the same time their extreme anxiety for the recovery of the former when in the same condition? For then immediately physicians are sent for, and all remedies that can be thought of applied to their relief. Should both of them happen to die, they will regret more the loss of their slave than of their friend, and shed more tears over the grave of the former than of the latter. They take care of everything but their friends; they will examine into and take great notice of the smallest trifle in their affairs, which perhaps stand in no need of their care, but neglect their friends that do. In short, though they have many estates, they know them all; but though they have but few friends, yet they know not the number of them; insomuch that if they are desired to name them, they are puzzled immediately, so little are their friends in their thoughts. Nevertheless, there is nothing comparable to a good friend; no slave is so affectionate to our person or interest; no horse can render us so great service; in a word, nothing is so useful to us in all occasions. For a true friend supplies all the wants and answers all the demands of another, either in the conduct of his private affairs or in the management of the public. If, for instance, his friend be obliged to do a kindness to any man, he puts him in the way of it; if he be assaulted with any danger he immediately flies to his relief. At one time he gives him part of his estate, at another he assists him with the labour of his hands; sometimes he helps him to persuade, sometimes he aids him to compel; in prosperity he heightens his delight by rejoicing with him; in adversity he diminisheth his sorrows by bearing a share of them. The use a man may make of his hands, his eyes, his ears, his feet, is nothing at all when compared with the service one friend may render another. For often what we cannot do for our own advantage, what we have not seen, nor thought, nor heard of, when our own interests were concerned, what we have not pursued for ourselves, a friend has done for his friend. How foolish were it to be at so much trouble in cultivating a small orchard of trees, because we expect some fruit from it, and yet be at no pains to cultivate that which is instead of a whole estate—I mean Friendship—a soil the most glorious and fertile where we are sure to gather the fairest and best of fruit!”

I also remember a talk I heard him give about friendship, which can really help us understand how to make friends and how to treat them. He said, “Most people agree that a true friend is a valuable treasure, yet we don’t put much effort into making friends. We make sure to buy houses, land, slaves, livestock, and household items, and we do our best to keep those things, but even though a friend can bring us much greater happiness than any of these, very few people are actually motivated to find a friend or to keep one once they have them. In fact, some people are so foolish that they would rather keep their slaves than their friends. How else can we explain their indifference towards their friends during times of trouble or illness while being extremely anxious about the health of their slaves? They immediately call doctors and try every treatment available for the slaves, but if both happen to die, they’re more upset about losing their slave than their friend, shedding more tears over the slave’s grave than over that of the friend. They take care of everything except their friends; they scrutinize and worry about the smallest details in their own affairs, which often don’t need their attention, but completely neglect their friends who do. In short, although they may own many estates and know all of them well, they often don’t even know how many friends they have. When asked to name them, they get confused, as their friends hardly cross their minds. Still, there’s nothing like a good friend; no slave is as loyal to us or our interests, and no horse can serve us as well. In fact, nothing is as helpful in all situations as a true friend, who meets all the needs and answers all the requests of another, whether in personal matters or public ones. For instance, if a friend needs to do a favor for someone, another friend will help him. If he faces danger, a true friend rushes to his aid. Sometimes he shares part of his wealth, other times he lends a hand; sometimes he helps convince others, sometimes he forces their hand; in good times, he doubles the joy by celebrating with him; in tough times, he lightens the burden by sharing it. The usefulness of one’s hands, eyes, ears, and feet is nothing compared to the support one friend can offer another. Often, what we can’t manage for our own benefit—what we haven’t seen, thought of, or pursued for ourselves—a friend will do for us. How silly it would be to work so hard to cultivate a small orchard expecting to get some fruit and yet not bother to cultivate something that could bring in an entire estate—I mean Friendship—a soil that’s the most wonderful and bountiful where we’re sure to reap the finest and best fruit!”

CHAPTER V. OF THE WORTH AND VALUE OF FRIENDS.

To what I have advanced above I shall here relate another discourse of his, as far as I can remember, in which he exhorted his hearers to examine themselves, that they might know what value their friends might set upon them; for seeing a man who had abandoned his friend in extreme poverty, he asked Antisthenes this question in presence of that very man and several others: “Can we set a price upon friends as we do upon slaves? One slave may be worth twenty crowns, another not worth five; such a one will cost fifty crowns, another will yield a hundred. Nay, I am told that Nicias, the son of Niceratus, gave even six hundred crowns for one slave to be inspector of his silver mines. Do you think we might likewise set prices upon friends?” “I believe we may,” answered Antisthenes; “for there are some men by whom I would rather choose to be loved than to have twenty crowns; others for whose affection I would not spend five. I know some, too, for whose friendship I would give all I am worth.” “If it be so,” said Socrates, “it would be well that each man should consider how much he can be worth to his friends, and that he should endeavour to render himself as valuable as he can in their regard, to the end they might not abandon him; for when I hear one complain that his friend has betrayed him; another that he, whom he thought faithful, has preferred a small gain to the preservation of his friendship, I reflect on these stories, and ask whether, as we sell a good-for-nothing slave for what we can get for him, we are not likewise tempted to get rid of an ill-friend when we are offered more for him than he is worth? because I do not see men part with their slaves if they be good, nor abandon their friends if they be faithful.”

To what I’ve said above, I’ll share another talk of his, as far as I can recall, where he urged his listeners to look within themselves to understand what value their friends might place on them. He saw a guy who had turned his back on a friend in desperate need and asked Antisthenes, in front of that same man and a few others: “Can we put a price on friends like we do on slaves? One slave might be worth twenty crowns, while another might not even be worth five; one could cost fifty crowns, and another could earn a hundred. I heard that Nicias, the son of Niceratus, paid as much as six hundred crowns for a slave to inspect his silver mines. Do you think we can put prices on friends too?” “I believe we can,” answered Antisthenes. “There are some people I’d prefer to be loved by over having twenty crowns; others for whom I wouldn’t spend five. I know a few whose friendship I would give everything I have for.” “If that’s the case,” said Socrates, “it would be wise for each person to consider how much they’re worth to their friends and to strive to make themselves as valuable as possible in their eyes, so that they don’t get left behind. When I hear someone complaining that their friend has betrayed them, or another that someone they trusted has chosen a small gain over maintaining their friendship, I think about these stories and wonder if, like we sell a worthless slave for whatever we can get, we might also be tempted to part with a bad friend when offered more than they’re worth. I don’t see people getting rid of their good slaves or abandoning their loyal friends.”

CHAPTER VI. OF THE CHOICE OF FRIENDS.

The following conversation of Socrates with Critobulus may teach us how we ought to try friends, and with whom it is good to contract friendship:—“If we were to choose a friend,” said Socrates to him, “what precaution ought we to take? Ought we not to look out for a man who is not given to luxury, to drunkenness, to women, nor to idleness? For with these vices he could never be very useful to his friend nor to himself.” “That is certain,” answered Critobulus. “Then,” said Socrates, “if we found a man that loved to live great, though he had not an estate to support the expense, and who having daily occasion to employ the purses of his friends should show by his actions that whatever you lend him is so much lost, and that if you do not lend him he will take it ill of you, do you not think that such a man would be very improper to make a friend of?” “There is no doubt of it,” said Critobulus. “And if we found another,” continued Socrates, “who was saving of what he had, but who, on the other hand, was so covetous that it would be quite unfit to have anything to do with him, because he would always be very ready to receive and never to give again?” “In my opinion,” said Critobulus, “this would be a worse friend than the former. And if we should find a man who was so carried away with the desire of enriching himself that he applied his mind to nothing else, but getting all he could scrape together?” “We ought not to have anything to do with him neither,” answered Critobulus, “for he would be good to no man but himself.” “If we found a quarrelsome man,” continued Socrates, “who was every day like to engage all his friends in new broils and squabbles, what would you think of him?” “That he ought to be avoided,” answered Critobulus. “And if a man,” said Socrates, “were free from all these faults, and were only of a humour to desire to receive kindnesses, but never to concern himself to return them, what would you think of him?” “That neither he, too, would be proper to make a friend of,” replied Critobulus; “and indeed, after having rejected so many, I can scarce tell whom we should take.” “We ought to take,” said Socrates, “a man who were the reverse of all those we have mentioned, who would be temperate in his manners, faithful in his promises, and sincere in all his actions; who would think it a point of honour not to be outdone in civilities so that it would be of advantage to have to do with him.” “But how can we be certain of all this,” said Critobulus, “before we have tried him?” “When we would give our judgment of statuaries, we have no regard,” replied Socrates, “to what they say of themselves, but consider their works; and he who has already made good statues is the person of whom we have the best opinion for those he shall make for the future. Apply this to the question you asked me, and be assured that a man who has served his former friends well will be likely to show no less affection for those that come after; as we may strongly conjecture that a groom, whom we have formerly seen dress horses very well, is capable of dressing others.” “But,” said Critobulus, “when we have found a man worthy of our choice, how ought we to contract a friendship with him?” “In the first place,” answered Socrates, “we must inquire whether the gods approve of it.” “But supposing they do not dissuade us, how are we to take this precious prey?” “Not by hunting, as we catch hares,” said Socrates; “nor in nets, as we take birds, nor by force, as we take our enemies; for it is very difficult to gain any man’s friendship against his will, or stop him by force, and detain him in prison as a slave, seeing such ill-usage would oblige him rather to wish us ill than to love us.” “What, then, ought we to do?” pursued Critobulus. “It is reported,” replied Socrates, “that there are some words so powerful that they who know them make themselves loved by pronouncing them, and that there are likewise other charms for the same purpose.” “And where can one learn these words?” added Critobulus. “Have you not read in Homer,” answered Socrates, “what the Syrens said to enchant Ulysses? The beginning of it is thus—

The following conversation between Socrates and Critobulus may teach us how we should choose friends and whom it’s good to be friends with: “If we’re going to pick a friend,” Socrates said, “what should we consider? Shouldn’t we look for someone who isn’t into luxury, drunkenness, women, or laziness? Because with those vices, he wouldn’t be very helpful either to his friend or himself.” “That’s true,” Critobulus replied. “Then,” Socrates continued, “if we found a guy who loved to live large but didn’t have the money to back it up, and who constantly needed to borrow from his friends, showing through his actions that anything you lend him is basically lost, and if you don’t lend him anything he would hold it against you—wouldn’t you agree that he would be a terrible choice for a friend?” “No doubt about it,” Critobulus said. “And if we found someone who was careful with what he had, but was so greedy that it would be impossible to deal with him because he would always take and never give back?” “In my opinion,” Critobulus said, “he would be a worse friend than the first one. And if we met a guy who was so obsessed with making money that he focused on nothing else but gathering all he could?” “We shouldn’t associate with him either,” Critobulus replied, “because he wouldn’t be good to anyone but himself.” “If we came across a quarrelsome person,” Socrates continued, “always dragging his friends into new arguments and fights, what would you think of him?” “I’d say he should be avoided,” Critobulus answered. “And if a man,” Socrates said, “lacked all these faults but only wanted to receive kindness and never cared about returning it, what would you think of him?” “I would say he wouldn’t be suitable for friendship either,” Critobulus replied; “and honestly, after dismissing so many, I can hardly say where we should look.” “We should look for,” Socrates suggested, “someone who is the opposite of all those we've mentioned—someone who is moderate in his behavior, trustworthy in his commitments, and genuine in his actions; someone who would see it as a point of pride not to be outdone in kindness, making it beneficial to engage with him.” “But how can we be sure of all this,” Critobulus asked, “before we’ve tested him?” “When we judge sculptors,” Socrates replied, “we don’t rely on what they say about themselves but consider their work; the sculptor who has made great statues is the one we trust to create great ones in the future. Apply this to your question and be assured that a person who has treated his previous friends well is likely to show the same affection to new ones, just as we can reasonably guess that a groom we’ve seen groom horses expertly can handle others just as well.” “But,” Critobulus said, “once we find a person worthy of our choice, how should we go about forming a friendship with him?” “First and foremost,” Socrates answered, “we need to see if the gods approve of it.” “But assuming they don’t discourage us, how do we go about ensuring this valuable prize?” “Not by hunting, like we catch hares,” Socrates said; “nor with nets, like we catch birds, nor by force, as we capture enemies; as it’s very hard to win someone’s friendship against their will or to coerce them into staying like a captive, since such mistreatment would only make them wish us ill rather than love us.” “Then what should we do?” Critobulus pursued. “It’s said,” Socrates replied, “that there are certain powerful words that those who know them can use to make themselves loved, and there are also other charms for the same purpose.” “And where can someone learn these words?” Critobulus asked. “Haven’t you read in Homer,” Socrates answered, “what the Sirens said to enchant Ulysses? The beginning goes like this—

‘Oh, stay! oh, pride of Greece, Ulysses, stay!’

‘Oh, stay! oh, pride of Greece, Ulysses, stay!’

“You say true,” continued Critobulus; “but did not they say as much to the others, to stop them too?” “Not at all,” said Socrates, “they enchanted with these words only the generous men who were in love with virtue.” “I begin to understand you,” said Critobulus, “and seeing this charm, which is so powerful to enchant and captivate the mind, is nothing but praise, you mean that we ought to praise a man in such a manner that he may not distrust we laugh at him; otherwise, instead of gaining his affection, we shall incur his hate; for it would be insupportable to a man, who knows he is little and weak, to be praised for his graceful appearance, for being well-shaped, and of a robust constitution.” “But do you know no other charms?” “No,” answered Socrates; “but I have indeed heard it said, that Pericles knew a great many, by means of which he charmed the Republic, and gained the favour and esteem of all.” Critobulus continued, “What was it that Themistocles did to make himself so esteemed?” “He used no other charms,” said Socrates, “than the eminent services he rendered to the State.” “Which is as much as to say,” replied Critobulus, “that to gain the friendship of the great, we must render ourselves capable to perform great actions.”

“You're right,” Critobulus continued. “But didn’t they say the same to the others to stop them too?” “Not at all,” Socrates replied. “They only enchanted the generous men who valued virtue with those words.” “I’m starting to understand,” Critobulus said. “And seeing this charm, which is so powerful to enchant and captivate the mind, is nothing but praise. You mean we should praise a man in such a way that he doesn’t suspect we’re laughing at him; otherwise, instead of winning his affection, we’ll make him hate us. It would be unbearable for a man who knows he’s small and weak to be praised for his looks, his physique, and his strength.” “But do you know of any other charms?” “No,” Socrates answered. “But I’ve heard that Pericles knew many ways to charm the Republic and win the favor and respect of everyone.” Critobulus continued, “What did Themistocles do to earn such respect?” “He didn’t use any other charms,” Socrates said, “than the outstanding services he provided to the State.” “Which means,” Critobulus replied, “to gain the friendship of the powerful, we must make ourselves capable of doing great things.”

“And could you think it possible,” said Socrates, “that any one should share in the friendship of men of merit without being possessed of one good quality?” “Why not?” answered Critobulus; “I have seen despicable rhetoricians beloved by the most famous orators, and persons who knew nothing of war live in familiarity with great generals.” “But have you seen men who are fit for nothing (for that is the question we speak of) get any friends of consequence?” “I confess I have not,” answered Critobulus; “nevertheless, since it is impossible for a man of no worth whatever to have the friendship of men of condition and merit, tell me whether the man who acquires the character of worth and merit obtains, at the same time, the friendship of all who possess that excellent character?” “The reason, I suppose, why you ask this question,” answered Socrates, “is because you frequently observe dissensions among those who equally cherish honour, and would all of them rather die than commit a base action; and you are surprised, that instead of living in friendship, they disagree among themselves, and are sometimes more difficult to reconcile than the vilest of all man.” “This is a misfortune,” added Critobulus, “that arrives not among private men only; for dissensions, nay, even wars, will happen sometimes, to break out in the best-governed republics, where virtue is in the highest repute, and where vice is held in the utmost contempt. Now, when I revolve these considerations in my mind, I know not where to go in search of friends; for it is impossible, we see, for the wicked to cultivate a true friendship among themselves. Can there subsist a true and lasting friendship amongst the ungrateful, the idle, the covetous, the treacherous, and the dissolute? No, for persons of such a character will mutually expose themselves to hatred and contempt; to hatred, because of the hurtful effects of their vices; to contempt, on account of the deformity of them. Neither, on the other hand, can we expect, as you have well observed, to find friendship between a virtuous man and a person of the opposite character. For how can they who commit crimes be in good amity with those that abhor them? But what puzzles me most, my dear Socrates, is to see men of merit and virtue harassing one another, and endeavouring, to the utmost of their power, to crush and ruin their antagonists, when, in different interests, both are contending for the most lucrative posts of the Republic. I am quite at a loss to account for such a conduct on the principles of friendship; for when I daily observe the noblest affections of the mind rooted up by the sordid views of interest, I am in a great doubt whether there is any real friendship and affection in the world.” “My dear friend,” replied Socrates, “this matter is very intricate; for, if I mistake not, Nature has placed in men the principles both of friendship and dissension. Of friendship, because they have need of one another, they have compassion of their miseries, they relieve one another in their necessities, and they are grateful for the assistances which they lend one another: of dissension, because one and the same thing being agreeable to many they contend to have it, and endeavour to prejudice and thwart one another in their designs. Thus strife and anger beget war, avarice stifles benevolence, envy produces hate. But friendship overcoming all these difficulties, finds out the virtuous, and unites them together. For, out of a motive of virtue they choose rather to live quietly in a mean condition, than to gain the empire of the whole earth by the calamities of war. When they are pinched with hunger or thirst, they endure them with constancy, till they can relieve themselves without being troublesome to any one. When at any time their desires for the enjoyments of love grow violent and headstrong, then reason, or self-government, lays hold on the reins, checks the impetuosity of the passion, keeps it within due bounds, and will not allow them to transgress the great rule of their duty. They enjoy what is lawfully their own, and are so far from usurping the rights and properties of others, that they even give them part of what they have. They agree their differences in such a manner, that all are gainers, and no man has reason to complain. They are never transported with anger so far as to commit any action of which they may afterwards repent. Envy is a passion they are ignorant of, because they live in a mutual communication of what they possess, and consider what belongs to their friends as things in their own possession. From hence you see that the virtuous do not only not oppose, but that they aid one another in the employments of the Republic; for they who seek for honours and great offices, only to have an opportunity of enriching themselves, and exercising a cruel tyranny, or to live an easy and effeminate life, are certainly very wicked and unjust, nor can they ever hope to live in friendship with any man.

“And could you imagine,” said Socrates, “that anyone could enjoy the friendship of admirable people without having at least one good quality?” “Why not?” replied Critobulus; “I’ve seen terrible public speakers loved by the most renowned orators, and people who knew nothing about warfare living closely with great generals.” “But have you seen people who are completely useless (since that’s the issue we’re addressing) have any significant friends?” “I must admit I haven’t,” replied Critobulus; “however, since it’s impossible for someone of no value at all to have the friendship of those with status and merit, tell me if a person who earns a reputation for worth and merit also gains the friendship of everyone with that excellent character?” “I suppose the reason you’re asking this question,” Socrates answered, “is that you often notice conflicts between those who all value honor equally and would all choose to die rather than do something dishonorable; and you’re surprised that instead of living in friendship, they argue with each other and can sometimes be harder to reconcile than the worst of people.” “This is a problem,” added Critobulus, “that arises not only among ordinary individuals; conflicts, even wars, sometimes erupt in the best-governed republics, where virtue is highly valued and vice is deeply despised. Now, when I think about these matters, I struggle to find true friends because it’s clear that the wicked can’t develop genuine friendships among themselves. Can real and lasting friendship exist among the ungrateful, the lazy, the greedy, the treacherous, and the immoral? No, because people like that will inevitably bring about hatred and contempt; hatred due to the harmful effects of their vices, and contempt because of the disgracefulness of those qualities. On the other hand, as you rightly pointed out, we can’t expect to see friendship between a virtuous person and someone who is their opposite. How can those who commit wrongs be on good terms with those who abhor them? But what troubles me most, my dear Socrates, is seeing virtuous individuals battling each other and making every effort to undermine and destroy their opponents when, despite having different interests, both are competing for the most rewarding positions in the Republic. I’m completely puzzled by such behavior in terms of friendship; for as I witness the noblest feelings of the mind being uprooted by selfish interests every day, I’m left questioning whether any real friendship and affection exist in the world.” “My dear friend,” Socrates replied, “this issue is quite complex; for, if I’m not mistaken, nature has instilled in people the principles of both friendship and conflict. Friendship arises because they need each other, they empathize with each other’s struggles, they support one another in times of need, and they appreciate the help they offer each other; conflict arises because when many people desire the same thing, they fight to possess it and try to obstruct each other’s plans. Thus, strife and anger lead to war, greed stifles generosity, and envy breeds hatred. But friendship, surmounting all these challenges, seeks out the virtuous and unites them. For the sake of virtue, they prefer to live peacefully in modest circumstances rather than conquer the entire earth through the sufferings of war. When hunger or thirst strike them, they endure their pain calmly until they can relieve themselves without burdening anyone else. When their desires for love become overwhelming and unruly, reason or self-control takes hold, curbing the strength of their passion, keeping it within healthy limits, and ensuring they don’t violate their duty. They enjoy what rightfully belongs to them and are so far from encroaching on others' rights and property that they even share part of what they have. They resolve their differences in a way that benefits everyone, leaving no one with a reason to complain. They never let anger take them to the point of acting in a way they might later regret. Envy is an emotion they don’t experience because they share what they have and view their friends' possessions as their own. Thus, you see that the virtuous not only don’t oppose each other but actually support one another in the responsibilities of the Republic; for those who pursue honors and high offices solely to have a chance to enrich themselves and exert cruel tyranny, or to live a luxurious and effeminate life, are indeed very wicked and unjust and can never hope to have genuine friendships with anyone.”

“But why should he who desires not any authority, but only the better to defend himself from the wicked, or to assist his friends, or be serviceable to his country; why should such a man, I say, not agree with another, whose intentions are the same with his own? Is it because he would be less capable to serve the Republic, if he had virtuous associates in the administration of affairs? If, in the tournaments and other games, the most strong were permitted to enter into a league against the weaker, they would infallibly be victors in all the courses, and win all the prizes; for which reason they are not suffered to do so. Therefore, in affairs of State, since no man is hindered from joining with whom he pleases, to do good to the Republic, is it not more advantageous, when we concern ourselves in the government, to make friendship with men of honour and probity, who are generally, too, the most knowing and capable, and to have them for our associates than to make them our adversaries? For it is manifest, that when a man is engaged in a combat, he ought to have some to assist him, and that he will have need of a great many, if those whom he opposes be valiant and powerful. Besides, he must be liberal, and give presents to those who espouse his quarrel, to encourage them to make a more resolute and vigorous defence. Now, it is beyond all dispute, that it is much better to oblige the good, though they are but a few, than the wicked, of whom there is a great number, because the former are easily gained over to your side; whereas the latter are hardly won by the best favours, and those in the greatest abundance, too, to espouse your interest.

“But why should someone who seeks no power, just wanting to better defend himself from the wicked, help his friends, or serve his country; why should such a person not align with another who shares the same intentions? Is it because he would be less capable of serving the Republic if he had virtuous partners in government? If, in tournaments and other competitions, the strongest were allowed to form a team against the weaker, they would undoubtedly win all the matches and claim all the prizes, which is why that's not allowed. Therefore, in state affairs, since nobody is prevented from teaming up with whom they wish to benefit the Republic, isn't it more advantageous to build friendships with honorable and trustworthy individuals, who are often the most knowledgeable and skilled, rather than making them our enemies? It’s clear that when someone is engaged in a struggle, they should have some allies to support them, and they will need many if their opponents are brave and powerful. Additionally, they must be generous and reward those who join their cause to encourage a stronger and more determined defense. Now, it's indisputable that it’s much better to win over the good, even if they are few, than the wicked, of whom there are many, because the former can be easily persuaded to join your side, while the latter are rarely moved, even by the best gifts and in the greatest abundance, to support your interests."

“However it be, Critobulus, take courage, endeavour only to become virtuous, and then boldly pursue the friendship of honest men; this is a sort of chase in which I may be helpful to you, because I am naturally inclined to love. I attack briskly those I love, and lay out all my skill to make myself beloved by them. I endeavour to kindle in their minds a flame like mine, and to make them desire my company, as ardently as I long for theirs. You stand in need of this address when you would contract a friendship with any one. Hide not, then, the secrets of your soul from me, but let me know who they are for whom you have a regard: for, having made it my study to please those who were agreeable to me, I believe that, by long experience, I have now got some considerable insight into the pursuits and ways of men.” “I have longed a great while,” said Critobulus, “to learn this art, especially if it may be employed to gain me the friendship of those whose persons are not only comely and genteel, but whose minds are replenished and adorned with all virtue.” Socrates replied: “But my method forbids to use violence, and I am of opinion that all men fled from the wretch Scylla, because she detained them by force: whereas the Syrens did no violence to any man, and employed only their tuneful voices to detain those who passed near them, so that all stopped to hear, and suffered themselves to be insensibly charmed by the music of their songs.” “Be sure,” said Critobulus, “that I will use no violence to them whose friendship I would gain, and therefore delay no longer to teach me your art.” “Will you give me your word likewise,” said Socrates, “that you will not even give them a kiss?” “I promise you,” said Critobulus, “I will not, unless they are very beautiful persons.” “You mistake the matter,” replied Socrates; “the beautiful permit not those liberties; but the ugly grant them freely enough, because they know very well that should any beauty be ascribed to them, it is only in consideration of that of the soul.” “I will not transgress in this point,” said Critobulus; “only impart to me the secret you know to gain friends.”

“Whatever the case may be, Critobulus, have courage and focus on becoming a good person, then confidently seek the friendship of honest individuals; I can assist you with this, as I have a natural inclination to love. I pursue those I care about eagerly and do everything I can to win their affection. I strive to ignite a passion in their hearts that mirrors mine, so they’ll want to be around me as much as I want to be with them. You need this kind of approach when trying to establish a friendship with anyone. So, don’t hide your true feelings from me; let me know who you care about. I’ve dedicated myself to pleasing those I admire and believe that, through experience, I’ve gained valuable insight into people’s interests and behaviors.” “I’ve wanted to learn this skill for a long time,” Critobulus said, “especially if it can help me win the friendship of those who are not only attractive and refined but also possess virtuous minds.” Socrates replied, “But my approach doesn’t involve force, and I think everyone avoided the monster Scylla because she captured them against their will. Meanwhile, the Sirens didn’t use force; they simply enchanted those who came near with their beautiful singing, making them stop and be captivated by their melodies.” “Rest assured,” Critobulus said, “I won’t use any force on those whose friendship I want, so please don’t hesitate to teach me your skill.” “Will you also promise me,” Socrates said, “that you won’t even kiss them?” “I promise,” Critobulus replied, “I won’t, unless they’re exceptionally beautiful.” “You’re misunderstanding,” Socrates responded; “the beautiful don’t allow such liberties, but the unattractive might, knowing that any beauty attributed to them is solely due to the goodness of their character.” “I won’t cross that line,” Critobulus said; “just share with me the secret you know for making friends.”

“When you would contract a friendship with any one,” said Socrates, “you must give me leave to tell him that you have a great esteem for him, and that you desire to be his friend.” “With all my heart,” answered Critobulus; “for sure no man can wish ill to a man who esteems him.” “And if I add besides,” continued Socrates, “that because you set a great value on his merit you have much affection for his person, will you not take it amiss?” “Not at all,” said Critobulus; “for I am sensible we have a great kindness for those who bear us goodwill.” “I may, then,” said Socrates, “speak in that manner to those whom you desire to love: but will you likewise give me leave to advance that your greatest pleasure is to have good friends, that you take great care of them, that you behold their good actions with as much joy as if you yourself had performed them, and that you rejoice at their good fortune as much as at your own: that you are never weary when you are serving them, and that you believe it the glory of a man of honour to surpass his friends in benefits, and his enemies in valour? By this means I think I shall be very useful to you in procuring you good friends.” “Why do you ask me leave,” said Critobulus, “as if you might not say of me whatever you please?” “No, indeed,” answered Socrates, “for I remember what Aspasia once said, that match-makers are successful in their business when they tell truth of the persons in whose behalf they court, but that the marriages made by their lies are unfortunate, because they who are deceived hate one another, and hate yet more the person that put them together. And therefore, for the same reason, I think I ought not to tell lies in your praise.” “You are then so far only my friend,” replied Critobulus, “that if I have any good qualities to make myself be esteemed, you will assist me; if not, you will invent nothing in my behalf.” “And do you think,” said Socrates, “that I should do you more service in giving you false praises, that are not your due, than by exhorting you to merit the praise of all men? If you doubt of this, consider the consequences of it. If, for instance, I should tell the owner of a ship that you are an excellent pilot, and he upon that should give you the conduct of the vessel, what hopes could you have that you should not perish? Or if I should say, publicly, that you are an experienced general, or a great politician, and if you, by that character which I should unjustly have obtained for you, should be promoted to the supreme magistracy, to what dangers would you expose your own life, and the fortune of the State? Or if I should make any private person believe that you were a good economist, and he should trust you afterwards with the care of his family, would not you be the ruin of his estate, and expose yourself to ridicule and contempt? Which is as much as to say, Critobulus, that the shortest and surest way to live with honour in the world is to be in reality what we would appear to be: and if you observe, you will find that all human virtues increase and strengthen themselves by the practice and experience of them. Take my advice, then, and labour to acquire them: but if you are of a different opinion, pray let me know it.” “I might well be ashamed,” answered Critobulus, “to contradict you: for no good nor solid objection can be brought against so rational an assertion.”

“When you want to form a friendship with someone,” said Socrates, “you need to let me tell him that you hold him in high regard and wish to be his friend.” “Absolutely,” replied Critobulus; “after all, no one wishes harm to someone who values them.” “And if I also mention,” Socrates went on, “that since you highly value his qualities, you have a deep affection for him, would that bother you?” “Not at all,” said Critobulus; “I know we generally feel kindness for those who are good to us.” “Then I can,” said Socrates, “speak like that to those you want to be close to: but will you also allow me to say that your greatest joy is having good friends, that you care for them deeply, that you celebrate their good deeds like your own, and that you find just as much joy in their success as in your own? That you’re always willing to help them and that you believe a person of honor should outdo their friends in kindness and their enemies in courage? I think this will help me find you great friends.” “Why do you ask for permission,” Critobulus said, “as if you couldn’t say whatever you want about me?” “Not at all,” Socrates answered, “because I remember what Aspasia once said: match-makers succeed when they speak truthfully about the people they’re advocating for, but marriages based on lies turn out badly since those who are deceived end up disliking each other and even more so the person who brought them together. Therefore, for the same reason, I believe I shouldn’t lie in your favor.” “So you’re only my friend to the extent that if I have good qualities, you’ll support me, but if I don’t, you won’t make anything up for me,” Critobulus replied. “And do you really think,” said Socrates, “that I would be doing you a greater service by giving you undeserved praise rather than encouraging you to earn the respect of everyone? If you have doubts about this, think about the effects. For instance, if I told the captain of a ship that you’re an excellent pilot and he then put you in charge of the boat, how safe would you feel? Or if I publicly claimed you were an experienced general or a brilliant politician, and you were given a top leadership role based on that false praise, what dangers would you be putting your life and the State’s future in? Or if I convinced someone that you were good with money and they left their finances in your hands, wouldn’t you end up ruining their livelihood and facing mockery and scorn? What it means, Critobulus, is that the easiest and most reliable way to live honorably is to actually be what we want to appear to be: and if you look closely, you’ll see that all human virtues grow and strengthen through practice and experience. So take my advice and work on acquiring them; but if you feel differently, please let me know.” “I would be quite embarrassed,” Critobulus answered, “to disagree with you: because there’s no reasonable objection to such a sound argument.”

CHAPTER VII. SOCRATES SHOWETH ARISTARCHUS HOW TO GET RID OF POVERTY.

Socrates had an extreme tenderness for his friends, and if through imprudence they fell into any misfortune, he endeavoured to comfort them by his good counsels; if they laboured under poverty he did all he could to relieve them, teaching all men that they ought mutually to assist one another in necessity. I will set down some examples of his behaviour in these occasions.

Socrates was very caring toward his friends, and if they made a mistake that led to trouble, he tried to support them with his wise advice. If they were struggling financially, he did everything he could to help them, showing everyone that we should help each other in times of need. I will share some examples of how he acted in these situations.

Meeting Aristarchus, who looked very dejected, he said to him, “I see, Aristarchus, that something troubles you, but impart the cause of your grief to your friends, and perhaps we may comfort you.” “Indeed,” said he, “I am in great affliction; for since the late troubles, many persons having fled for shelter to the Piraeus, it has so fallen out that my sisters, nieces, and cousins have all thrown themselves upon me, so that I have no less than fourteen of them to maintain. You know very well that we receive no profit of our lands, the enemies being masters of the open country; our houses in the city are uninhabited, there being at present very little company in Athens; nobody will buy any goods; no man will lend money upon any interest whatever, and I believe we may as soon take it up in the middle of the streets as find where to borrow it. And I am much concerned that I shall not be able to assist my relations whom I see ready to perish, while it is impossible for me to maintain them in the present scarcity of all things.” Socrates having heard him patiently, said to him, “How comes it to pass that Ceramon, who has so many persons in his family, finds means not only to maintain them, but likewise to enrich himself by the profit he makes of them, and that you are afraid of starving to death, because you have a great many in your family?” “The reason,” answered Aristarchus, “is this, Ceramon has none but slaves to take care of, and I am to provide for persons who are free.” Socrates went on: “For which have you most esteem, for Ceramon’s slaves, or for the persons who are at your house?” “There is no comparison between them,” said Aristarchus. “Is it not then a shameful thing,” replied Socrates, “that Ceramon should grow rich by means of those whom you acknowledge to be of less value, and that you should grow poor and be reduced to straits, though you keep men of condition in your house, whom you value more?” “By no means,” said Aristarchus, “there is a wide difference betwixt the two; the slaves that Ceramon keeps follow some trades, but the persons I have with me have had a liberal education and follow none.” “May not he,” replied Socrates, “who knows how to do anything that is useful be said to know a trade?” “Yes, certainly.” “And are not,” continued Socrates, “oatmeal, bread, the clothes of men and women, cassocks, coats, and other the like manufactures, things very useful?” “Without doubt.” “And do not the persons at your house know how to make any of these things?” “On the contrary,” said Aristarchus, “I believe they know how to make all of them.” “What are you then afraid of,” added Socrates? “Why do you complain of poverty, since you know how to get rich? Do not you observe how wealthy Nausicides is become, what numerous herds he is master of, and what vast sums he lends the Republic? Now what made this man so rich? Why, nothing but one of those manufactures we mentioned, that of making oatmeal. You see, too, that Cirthes keeps all his family, and lives at his ease upon what he has got by being a baker. And how doth Demeas, of the village of Colyttus, get his livelihood? By making cassocks. What makes Menon live so comfortably? His cloak manufacture. And are not most of the inhabitants of Megara in good circumstances enough by the trade which they drive of coats and short jackets?” “I grant all this,” said Aristarchus, “but still there is a difference betwixt these persons and me: for, whereas, they have with them some barbarians whom they have bought, and compel to work what brings them in gain; I, for my part, keep only ladies and gentlemen at my house, persons who are free, and some of them my own relations. Now would you have me to set them to work?” “And because they are free and your relations,” said Socrates, “do you think they ought to do nothing but eat and sleep? Do you observe that they, who live thus idle and at their ease, lead more comfortable lives than others? Do you think them more content, more cheerful, that is to say, more happy than those who employ themselves in any of those manufactures we have mentioned, or in whatever else tends to the utility or convenience of life? Do you imagine that idleness and laziness contribute toward our learning things necessary; that they can enable us to retain those things we have already learnt; that they help to strengthen the body or keep it in health; that they can assist us to get riches, or keep what we have got already; and do you believe that labour and industry are good for nothing? Why did your ladies learn what you say they know. Did they believe them to be useless things, and had they resolved never to put them in practice? Or, on the contrary, was it with design to employ themselves in those matters, and to get something by them? Is it a greater piece of wisdom to sit still and do nothing, than to busy oneself in things that are of use in life, and that turn to account? And is it not more reasonable for a man to work than to be with his arms across, thinking how he shall do to live? Shall I tell you my mind, Aristarchus? Well, then, I am of opinion that in the condition you are in you cannot love your guests, nor they you for this reason, that you, on the one hand, feel they are a burden to you, and they, on the other, perceive you uneasy and discontented on their account. And it is to be feared that the discontent will increase on both sides, and that the sense of past favours will wear off; but when you set them to work you will begin to love them, because they will bring you some profit; and when they find that you regard them with more complacency they will not fail to have more love for you. The remembrance of your kindnesses will be more grateful to them, and the obligations they have to you will be the greater. In a word, you will be kinder relations and better friends. Indeed, if what they were to do was a thing worthy of blame, it would be better to die than to think of it; but what they can do is honourable, and becoming of their sex, and whoever knows how to do a thing well will acquit himself of it with honour and pleasure. Therefore defer no longer to make the proposal to them, since it will be so advantageous to all of you, and be assured they will receive it with joy and pleasure.” “Good God! what a fine scheme you have proposed! Indeed, I cannot but approve of it; nay, it has made such a wonderful impression on my mind, that whereas I was lately against borrowing money at all, because I saw that when I had spent it I should not be in a condition to repay it, I am now resolved to go try where I can take some up upon any terms, to buy tools and other materials to set ourselves to work.”

Meeting Aristarchus, who looked very downcast, Socrates said to him, “I can see, Aristarchus, that something is bothering you. Share what's troubling you with your friends, and maybe we can help.” “Indeed,” he replied, “I’m in great distress; since the recent troubles, many people have fled to the Piraeus for safety, and as a result, my sisters, nieces, and cousins have all come to stay with me, leaving me with no fewer than fourteen of them to support. You know we aren’t getting anything from our land, as the enemies are in control of the countryside; our houses in the city are empty because there’s hardly anyone in Athens right now; no one is buying goods; no one is lending money at any interest, and I think it would be just as easy to find a loan in the middle of the street as it would be to borrow it. I’m really worried I won’t be able to help my relatives, who are close to starving, while it’s impossible for me to support them given the current scarcity of everything.” After patiently listening, Socrates said to him, “How is it that Ceramon, who has so many people in his household, manages to not only support them but also enrich himself with their help, while you fear you might starve because you have many people living with you?” “The difference,” Aristarchus answered, “is that Ceramon has only slaves to take care of, while I have to provide for free individuals.” Socrates continued, “Which do you value more, Ceramon’s slaves or the people in your home?” “There’s no comparison,” Aristarchus said. “Isn’t it shameful,” Socrates replied, “that Ceramon should become wealthy through those you consider less valuable, while you become poor and are struggling, even though you have people of good standing in your house whom you value more?” “Not at all,” Aristarchus said, “there’s a big difference between the two; Ceramon’s slaves work in various trades, but the people I have here are well-educated and don’t do any work.” “But,” Socrates replied, “doesn’t someone who knows how to do something useful also know a trade?” “Yes, definitely.” “And aren’t oatmeal, bread, and the clothing we wear, along with things like coats and jackets, very useful?” “Absolutely.” “Do the people in your house know how to make any of those things?” “On the contrary,” Aristarchus said, “I believe they know how to make all of them.” “So what are you worried about?” Socrates added. “Why are you complaining about being poor when you have the skills to get rich? Don’t you see how wealthy Nausicides has become, how many herds he owns, and the huge sums he lends to the Republic? What made him rich? Nothing but making oatmeal! Look at how Cirthes supports his family and lives comfortably from his baking. And how does Demeas from the village of Colyttus make a living? By making cloaks. What allows Menon to live so well? His cloak-making business. And aren’t most of the people in Megara doing well through their trade of coats and jackets?” “I acknowledge all this,” said Aristarchus, “but there is still a difference between them and me: those people have hired some workers to do labor they can profit from; I only have ladies and gentlemen in my home, free individuals, some of whom are my own relatives. Would you have me force them to work?” “And just because they are free and your relatives,” Socrates said, “do you think they should do nothing but eat and sleep? Have you noticed that those who live idly are often less happy than those who engage in useful work? Do you think they are more content and cheerful than those who spend their time on useful tasks or anything that improves the quality of life? Do you believe that laziness helps us learn necessary skills, or enables us to remember what we’ve learned, keeps us healthy, helps us gain wealth, or maintain what we already have? And do you think hard work and effort are worthless? Why did your relatives learn what you say they know? Did they think it would be useless and never intended to use those skills? Or were they planning to engage in those activities to earn something? Is it wiser to sit still and do nothing rather than work on useful things that can benefit you? Isn’t it better for someone to work than to sit around wondering how they will survive? Here’s my take, Aristarchus: I believe that in your current situation, you cannot love your guests, nor can they love you, because on one hand, you see them as a burden, and on the other, they sense your discomfort and unhappiness about them. I fear that the dissatisfaction will grow on both sides, and that feelings of gratitude will fade; but when you put them to work, you will begin to care for them, because they will contribute to your livelihood, and when they see you treating them more graciously, they will naturally develop more affection for you. They will appreciate your kindness more, and their sense of obligation to you will grow. In short, you’ll become kinder relatives and better friends. Now, if what they were to do were shameful, it would be better to die than to think of it, but what they can do is honorable and fitting for their station, and anyone who knows how to do something well will do it with pride and pleasure. So don’t put off suggesting this to them any longer, since it will be beneficial for all of you, and trust me, they will welcome it with joy.” “Oh my God! What a great plan you’ve proposed! I really can’t help but agree with it; in fact, it’s made such an astounding impact on me that while I was recently against borrowing money at all, seeing as I figured that once I spent it I’d be unable to repay, I am now resolved to go out and find a way to borrow some on any terms to buy tools and materials to get us started.”

What was proposed was forthwith executed. Aristarchus bought what he wanted; he laid in a provision of wool, and the ladies worked from morning to night. This occupation diverted their melancholy, and, instead of the uneasiness there was before between them and Aristarchus, they began to live in a reciprocal satisfaction. The ladies loved him as their protector, and he considered them as persons who were very useful and necessary to him.

What was proposed was immediately carried out. Aristarchus bought what he needed; he stocked up on wool, and the ladies worked from morning till night. This activity lifted their spirits, and instead of the tension that had existed before between them and Aristarchus, they started to live in mutual satisfaction. The ladies cared for him as their protector, and he viewed them as people who were very helpful and essential to him.

To conclude, some time afterwards Aristarchus came to see Socrates, and related the whole matter to him with great content, and told him the women began to complain that none but he was idle. “Why do you not put them in mind,” said Socrates, “of the fable of the dog? For, in the days when beasts could speak, according to the fable, the sheep said to her master, ‘You are a strange man; we yield you wool, lambs, and cheeses, and yet you give us nothing but what we can get upon the ground; and the dog, who brings you in no profit, is kindly used, for you feed him with the same bread you eat yourself.’ The dog, overhearing this complaint, answered her: ‘It is not without reason that I am used so well. It is I who protect you; it is I who hinder thieves from taking you away, and wolves from sucking your blood. If I were not always keeping watch about you, you would not dare so much as to go to feed.’ This answer was the reason that the sheep yielded freely to the dog the honour they pretended to before. In like manner do you also let these ladies know that it is you who are their guardian and protector, and that you watch over them for their safety with as much care as a faithful and courageous dog watcheth over a herd committed to his charge. Tell them that because of you no man dares hurt them, and that it is by your means that they live at ease and in safety.”

To wrap up, sometime later, Aristarchus visited Socrates and shared everything with him happily, mentioning that the women started complaining that only he was idle. “Why don’t you remind them,” Socrates said, “of the fable of the dog? In the days when animals could talk, the sheep said to their master, ‘You’re a strange man; we give you wool, lambs, and cheese, and all you provide us is what we can find on the ground; yet the dog, who brings you no benefit, is treated well because you feed him the same bread you eat.’ Hearing this complaint, the dog replied: ‘I’m treated well for a reason. I protect you; I keep thieves from taking you away and wolves from attacking you. If I weren’t always watching over you, you wouldn’t even feel safe enough to eat.’ This answer made the sheep willingly give the dog the respect they had previously withheld. Similarly, you should make it clear to these ladies that you are their guardian and protector, watching over them just like a loyal and brave dog watches a flock entrusted to him. Let them know that because of you, no man dares to harm them and that it’s thanks to you that they can live comfortably and safely.”

CHAPTER VIII. SOCRATES PERSUADES EUTHERUS TO ABANDON HIS FORMER WAY OF LIVING, AND TO BETAKE HIMSELF TO SOME MORE USEFUL AND HONOURABLE EMPLOYMENT.

Another time, meeting with Eutherus, one of his old friends, whom he had not seen for a great while before, he inquired of him from whence he came? “At present,” answered Eutherus, “I come not from abroad; but towards the end of the war I returned from a voyage I had made, for, after having lost all the estate I had upon the frontiers, and my father having left me nothing in Attica, I was forced to work for my living, and I believe it better to do so than to be troublesome to others; besides, I can no longer borrow anything, because I have nothing left to mortgage.” “And how much longer,” said Socrates, “do you think you shall be able to work for your living?” “Alas! but a short while,” answered Eutherus. “Nevertheless,” replied Socrates, “when you come to be old it will cost you something to maintain yourself, and yet you will not then be able to earn anything.” “You say very true.” “You had best, then,” continued Socrates, “employ yourself now in business that will enable you to lay by something for your old age, and get into the service of some rich man, who has occasion for an economist, to have the inspection over his workmen, to gather in his fruits, to preserve what belongs to him, that he may reward you for the service you do him.” “I should find it very difficult,” replied Eutherus, “to submit to be a slave.” “Yet,” said Socrates, “the magistrates in republics, and all that are in employments, are not, therefore, reputed slaves; on the contrary, they are esteemed honourable.” “Be that as it will,” said Eutherus, “I can never think of entering into any office where I might be liable to blame, for I would not like to be censured by another.” “But where,” said Socrates, “will you find any employment in which a man is absolutely perfect, and altogether free from blame? For it is very difficult to be so exact as not to fail sometimes, and even though we should not have failed, it is hard to escape the censure of bad judges; and I should think it a very odd and surprising thing if in that very employment wherein you say you are now engaged you were so dexterous and expert as that no man should find anything amiss.

Another time, when he met with Eutherus, one of his old friends he hadn't seen in a long while, he asked him where he had come from. “Right now,” Eutherus replied, “I'm not coming from anywhere far away; I just returned from a trip I took towards the end of the war. After losing all my property on the frontiers, and my father leaving me nothing in Attica, I had to work to support myself. I think it's better to do that than to be a burden on others. Besides, I can't borrow anything anymore because I have nothing left to use as collateral.” “How much longer,” Socrates asked, “do you think you'll be able to work to support yourself?” “Unfortunately, not for much longer,” Eutherus answered. “Still,” Socrates replied, “when you get old, it will cost you to take care of yourself, and you won't be able to earn anything then.” “That's very true,” Eutherus said. “You should,” Socrates continued, “focus on work that will allow you to save something for old age and find a wealthy person who needs a manager. You could supervise his workers, gather his harvest, and take care of what belongs to him, and in return, he would reward you for your services.” “It would be very hard for me,” Eutherus replied, “to accept being a servant.” “However,” Socrates said, “the officials in governments, and anyone with a position, are not considered slaves; in fact, they're regarded as honorable.” “That may be,” Eutherus said, “but I can never imagine taking on a role where I might be criticized because I wouldn't want to be judged by anyone.” “But where,” Socrates asked, “will you find a job where a person is completely perfect and beyond reproach? It's very tough to be so precise that one never makes mistakes, and even if we haven't failed, it's hard to avoid criticism from poor judges. It would be quite strange if, in your current job, you were so skilled that no one ever found any fault with you.”

“What you are, therefore, to observe is to avoid those who make it their business to find fault without reason, and to have to do with more equitable persons; to undertake what you can actually perform, to reject what you find yourself unfit to do; and when you have taken in hand to do anything, to accomplish it in a manner the most excellent and perfect you can. Thus you will be less subject to be blamed, will find relief to your poverty, lead an easier life, be out of danger, and will sufficiently provide for the necessities of your old age.”

“What you need to pay attention to is staying away from people who criticize without justification and dealing with fair-minded individuals instead. Take on tasks that you can actually manage, and steer clear of those that you know are beyond your ability. And whenever you decide to do something, aim to do it in the best way possible. This approach will make you less likely to be criticized, help ease your financial struggles, create a more manageable life, keep you safe, and ensure you have enough for your later years.”

CHAPTER IX. IN WHAT MANNER SOCRATES TAUGHT HIS FRIEND CRITO TO RID HIMSELF OF SOME INFORMERS, WHO TOOK THE ADVANTAGE OF HIS EASY TEMPER.

One day Crito, happening to meet Socrates, complained to him that it was very difficult for a man who would keep what he had to live in Athens; “for,” said he, “I am now sued by some men, though I never did them the least injury, but only because they know that I had rather give them a little money than embroil myself in the troubles of law.” Socrates said to him, “Do you keep dogs to hinder the wolves from coming at your flocks?” “You need not doubt but I do,” answered Crito. “Ought you not likewise,” replied Socrates, “to keep a man who were able to drive away all those that trouble you without cause?” “I would with all my heart,” said Crito, “but that I fear that in the end he, too, would turn against me.” “Why so?” said Socrates; “is it not better to serve a man like you, and to receive favours from him, than to have him for an enemy? You may be certain that there are in this city many men who would think themselves very happy to be honoured with your friendship.”

One day, Crito happened to run into Socrates and complained about how hard it is for someone who wants to hold onto their possessions to live in Athens. “I’m being sued by some people, even though I’ve never done them any harm. They just know I’d rather part with a little money than deal with legal trouble,” he said. Socrates replied, “Do you have dogs to keep the wolves away from your flock?” “Of course I do,” Crito answered. “Shouldn’t you also keep a person who can drive away those who trouble you for no reason?” Socrates asked. “I wish I could,” Crito said, “but I’m afraid that in the end, he would turn against me too.” “Why do you think that?” Socrates asked. “Isn’t it better to serve someone like you and receive favors from him than to have him as an enemy? You can be sure there are many people in this city who would be thrilled to be honored with your friendship.”

After this they happened to see a certain person name Archedemus, who was a man of very good parts, eloquent, and extremely skilful in the management of affairs; but withal very poor and in a low condition, for he was not of that sordid disposition to take all he could get, by what means soever, but he was a lover of justice and of honest men, and abhorred to make rich, or to raise himself by informing and backbiting; for he held that nothing was more base than that wretched practice of those miscreants called sycophants or informers. Crito cast an eye upon him, and as often as they brought him any corn, or wine, or oil, or any other thing from his country-houses, he sent him some of it; when he offered sacrifices he invited him to the feasts, and showed him many civilities of the like nature. Archedemus, seeing the doors of that house open to him at all times, and that he always found so favourable a reception, laid aside all his former dependences, and trusted himself wholly to Crito; then he made it his business immediately to inquire into the characters of those sycophants who had slandered Crito or informed against him, and found them to be guilty of many crimes, and that they had a great number of enemies. This encouraged him to take them to task, and he prosecuted one of them for a crime which would have subjected him to a corporal punishment, or at least to a pecuniary mulct. This fellow, who knew his case to be bad, and that he could not justify himself, employed all sorts of stratagems to get rid of Archedemus, who nevertheless would not quit his hold till the other had discharged Crito, and given him money besides, in name of trouble and charges. He managed several of his affairs with like success, which made Crito be thought happy in having him; and as when a shepherd has an excellent dog, the other shepherds are glad to bring their flocks near his that they may be safe likewise, so several of Crito’s friends began to make their court to him, and begged him to lend them Archedemus to defend them. He, for his part, was glad to oblige Crito; and it was observed at length that not only Crito lived undisturbed, but all his friends likewise; and if any one reproached Archedemus that self-interest had made him his master’s creature, and to adore him and be so faithful and zealous in his service he would answer him thus:—“Which of the two do you think most dishonourable—to do services to men of quality from whom we have received favours, and to enter into their friendship to declare war against bad men, or to endeavour to prejudice men of honour, and to make them our enemies, that bad men may be our friends?” From thenceforward Crito contracted a strict friendship with Archedemus, and all his friends had likewise a great respect for him.

After this, they happened to see a man named Archedemus, who was very talented, eloquent, and exceptionally skilled at handling affairs; however, he was quite poor and in a low position. He wasn’t the kind of person to take advantage of others by any means; instead, he valued justice and honest people and hated the idea of getting rich or elevating himself by informing on others or gossiping. He believed that nothing was more dishonorable than the despicable actions of those scoundrels known as informers or sycophants. Crito noticed him, and whenever they brought him any grain, wine, oil, or anything else from his estates, he sent some to Archedemus. When he made sacrifices, he invited him to the feasts and showed him many acts of kindness. Archedemus, noticing that the doors of Crito’s house were always open to him and that he received such a warm welcome, set aside all his previous connections and fully trusted Crito. He immediately made it his goal to investigate the characters of those sycophants who had slandered Crito or informed against him, discovering that they were guilty of several crimes and had many enemies. This motivated him to confront them, and he prosecuted one of them for an offense that could lead to corporal punishment or at least a hefty fine. This guy, aware that his case was weak and that he couldn’t defend himself, resorted to all sorts of tricks to get rid of Archedemus, who, nonetheless, wouldn’t let go until the other had cleared Crito and paid him money for his trouble. He managed several of his affairs with similar success, which made Crito seem fortunate to have him. Just as a shepherd with an excellent dog makes other shepherds eager to bring their flocks close for safety, several of Crito’s friends began to court him and asked him to lend them Archedemus for their defense. He was happy to help Crito; and it was eventually noted that not only did Crito live without disturbance, but all his friends did as well. If anyone accused Archedemus of being a mere sycophant, devoted to his master’s interests out of self-interest, he would respond: “Which is more dishonorable—to serve those of high standing from whom we've received favors and ally with them to fight against evildoers, or to try to undermine honorable people and make them our enemies so that dishonest people can be our friends?” From then on, Crito formed a close friendship with Archedemus, and all his friends held him in high esteem.

CHAPTER X. SOCRATES ADVISES DIODORUS TO DO JUSTICE TO THE MERIT OF HERMOGENES, AND TO ACCEPT OF HIS SERVICE AND FRIENDSHIP.

Socrates, meeting one day with Diodorus, addressed him thus:—“If one of your slaves ran away, would you give yourself any trouble to find him?” “Yes, certainly,” answered he; “and I would give public notice, and promise a reward to any that brought him to me.” “And if one of them were sick, would you take care of him, and send for physicians to endeavour to save his life?” “Without doubt I would.” “And if you saw,” replied Socrates, “one of your friends—that is to say, a person who renders you a thousand times more service than a slave, reduced to extreme want—ought you not to relieve him? I speak this to you on account of Hermogenes. You very well know he is not ungrateful, and that he would scorn to receive the least favour from you and not return you the like. You know likewise that a great number of slaves are not to be valued like one man who serves willingly, who serves with zeal and affection, and who is not only capable of doing what he is desired, but who can likewise of himself think of many things that may be of service to us; who reasons well, who foresees what may happen, and from whom we may expect to receive good advice. Now, the best managers hold it as a maxim that when we find anything of value to be sold cheap we ought to buy it. Think of it, therefore, for as times now go you may procure yourself many friends at a cheap rate.” “You say right,” replied Diodorus, “and therefore pray send Hermogenes to me.” “Excuse me in that,” answered Socrates, “you would do as well to go to him yourself as to send for him.”

Socrates, one day while meeting with Diodorus, said to him, “If one of your slaves ran away, would you bother to find him?” “Yes, of course,” he replied. “I would give a public notice and offer a reward to anyone who brought him back to me.” “And if one of them got sick, would you take care of him and call for doctors to try to save his life?” “Definitely.” “And if you saw,” Socrates responded, “one of your friends—someone who provides you with way more help than a slave—falling into serious hardship, shouldn’t you help him? I mention this because of Hermogenes. You know he’s not ungrateful and that he would be embarrassed to accept any favor from you without giving something in return. You also know that many slaves aren’t worth as much as one person who serves willingly, with enthusiasm and care, who not only does what you ask but can also come up with ideas that benefit us, who thinks critically, who anticipates what might happen, and from whom we can expect good advice. Now, good managers believe that when you find something valuable being sold for a low price, you should buy it. So consider this: nowadays, you can gain many friends at a low cost.” “You’re right,” replied Diodorus, “so please send Hermogenes to me.” “I would suggest otherwise,” Socrates answered, “it would be just as effective for you to go see him yourself as to send for him.”

This discourse was the reason that Diodorus went to Hermogenes, and for a small gratification obliged him to be his friend; after which Hermogenes took particular care to please Diodorus, and sought all opportunities of serving him and of giving him content.

This conversation was why Diodorus went to Hermogenes, and for a little favor, he persuaded him to be his friend; after that, Hermogenes made a special effort to please Diodorus and looked for every chance to help him and make him happy.

BOOK III.

CHAPTER I. OF THE QUALIFICATIONS OF A GENERAL.

Let us now see how Socrates was serviceable to those who were desirous to qualify themselves for employments of trust and honour, by advising them to apply themselves diligently to the study of their duty, that they might acquire a perfect knowledge of it.

Let’s now look at how Socrates helped those who wanted to prepare for positions of responsibility and respect by encouraging them to focus on understanding their responsibilities fully so they could gain complete knowledge of them.

Having heard that there was arrived at Athens one Dionysodorus, who undertook to teach the art of war, he made the following discourse to one of his friends, who pretended to one of the highest posts in the army:—

Having heard that a man named Dionysodorus had arrived in Athens to teach the art of war, he gave the following talk to one of his friends, who was aiming for one of the highest positions in the army:—

“It were a scandalous thing,” said Socrates to him, “for a man who aims to be chief over others, to neglect to learn how to command, when so fair an opportunity offers; nay, I think he would rather deserve to be punished, than the man who should undertake to make a statue without having learnt the sculptor’s trade; for as in war the whole fortune of the Republic is trusted to the general, it is to be presumed that his good conduct will procure success, and that his faults will be followed with great losses. And, therefore, a man who should neglect to make himself capable of such an employment, and yet pretend to it, ought to be severely punished.” By these reasons he persuaded this young man to get himself instructed.

“It would be a disgrace,” Socrates said, “for someone who wants to lead others to ignore learning how to do so when such a great opportunity is available; in fact, I believe he deserves punishment more than someone who attempts to create a statue without knowing the sculptor’s craft. Just as in war, where the entire fate of the Republic relies on the general, we should expect that his good decisions will bring success, while his mistakes will lead to major losses. Therefore, someone who fails to prepare themselves for such a role and yet seeks it should be punished severely.” With these arguments, he convinced the young man to seek instruction.

After the youth had imagined that he had acquired some knowledge of the art, he returned to pay Socrates a visit, who, jesting him, addressed the company that were present in this manner:—“Do not you think, gentlemen, that as Homer, when speaking of Agamemnon, gives him the surname of venerable, we ought also to bestow the same epithet on this young man, who justly deserveth to be called by that name, since, like him, he has learned how to command? For, as a man who can play on the lute is a player on that instrument, though he never toucheth it; and as he who is knowing in the art of physic is a physician, though he never practise; so this young man, having learned to command is become a general, though not a man of us should ever give our voice to make him so. On the contrary, it is in vain for him who knows not how to command, to get himself chosen; he will not be one jot a better general for it, no more than he who knows nothing of physic is a better physician, because he has the reputation of being one.” Then turning towards the young man, he went on—“But because it may happen that one of us may have the honour of commanding a regiment or a company in the troops that are to compose your army, to the end we may not be entirely ignorant of the military art, pray tell us by what he began to instruct you.” “By what he ended,” answered the young man; “for he showed me only the order that ought to be observed in an army, either in marching, encamping, or fighting.” “But what is that,” said Socrates, “in comparison of the many other duties incumbent on a general? He must, besides, take care for the preparations of war; he must furnish the soldiers with necessary ammunition and provisions; he must be inventive, laborious, diligent, patient, quick of apprehension; he must be mild and rigorous together; he must be open and close; he must know to preserve his own, and take what is another’s; he must be prodigal and a ravager; he must be liberal and covetous; he must be wary, and yet enterprising. I confess that he ought to know likewise how to draw up his troops in order of battle; and, indeed, order and discipline are the most important things in an army, and without them it is impossible to have any other service of the troops than of a confused heap of stones, bricks, timber, and tiles; but when everything is in its due place, as in a building, when the foundations and the covering are made of materials that will not grow rotten, and which no wet can damage, such as are stones and tiles, and when the bricks and timber are employed in their due places in the body of the edifice, they altogether make a house, which we value among our most considerable enjoyments.” Here the young man, interrupting him, said:—

After the young man thought he had learned some skills in the art of war, he went to visit Socrates. Socrates joked with those present and said, “Don’t you think, gentlemen, that just like Homer refers to Agamemnon as venerable, we should also call this young man by that name? He truly deserves it, since he has learned how to command. Just as someone who can play a lute is considered a player, even if they never touch it, and someone knowledgeable in medicine is a physician, even if they never practice, this young man has learned to command and is a general, even if none of us would actually vote for him to be one. On the other hand, it’s pointless for someone who doesn’t know how to lead to try to get appointed; it won’t make him any better as a general, just as someone who knows nothing about medicine won’t become a better doctor just because they’re thought of as one.” Then he turned to the young man and said, “But since one of us might have the honor of commanding a unit in the army you’ll be part of, let’s not be completely clueless about military matters. Please tell us what he started teaching you.” “What he ended with,” the young man replied. “He only showed me the order that should be followed in an army, whether we’re marching, camping, or fighting.” “But what’s that,” Socrates asked, “compared to all the other responsibilities a general has? He also has to plan for war, provide soldiers with necessary supplies, and be creative, hardworking, patient, quick-thinking, firm yet lenient, open yet discreet. He needs to know how to protect what is his and take what belongs to others; he must be generous yet greedy, cautious yet bold. I do agree that he should know how to arrange his troops for battle; order and discipline are crucial in an army. Without those, the troops can only serve as a disordered pile of stones, bricks, timber, and tiles. But when everything is in its proper place, like a well-built structure where the foundations and roof are made from materials that won’t decay or be harmed by water, such as stone and tile, and the bricks and wood are used correctly in the building, together they create a house, which we greatly value.” At this point, the young man interrupted him and said:

“This comparison puts me in mind of another thing that generals ought to observe; which is, to place their best soldiers in the first and last ranks, and the others in the middle; that those in the first rank may draw them on, and those in the last push them forward.” “He has taught you too,” said Socrates, “how to know the good and the bad soldiers asunder, otherwise this rule can be of no use to you; for if you were to reckon money upon a table, and were ordered to lay the best at the two ends, and the worst in the middle, how could you do this, if you had not been shown how to distinguish between the good and the bad?” “Indeed,” replied the young man, “he did not teach me what you mention; and, I suppose, we must learn of ourselves to discern the good soldiers from the bad.” “If you please,” continued Socrates, “let us consider how a general ought to govern himself in this matter. If it were to take any money, ought he not to make the most covetous march in the front? If it were an action of great peril, ought he not to send the most ambitious, because they are the men who, out of a desire of glory, rush into the midst of dangers? And as for them, you would not be much troubled to know them, for they are forward enough in discovering themselves. But tell me, when this master showed you the different ways of ordering an army, did he teach you when to make use of one way, and when of another?” “Not at all,” answered he. “And yet,” replied Socrates, “the same order is not always to be observed, nor the same commands given, but to be changed according to the different occasions.” “He taught me nothing of that,” said the young man. “Go to him, then,” added Socrates, “and ask him concerning it; for if he know anything of the matter, and have ever so little honour, he will be ashamed to have taken your money and send you away so ill-instructed.”

“This comparison reminds me of something else generals should pay attention to: they should put their best soldiers at the front and back, while placing the others in the middle. This way, the soldiers in the front can encourage the others, and those in the back can push them forward.” “He has also taught you,” Socrates said, “how to tell the good soldiers from the bad; otherwise, this rule won’t help you. Imagine you had to sort money on a table, placing the best at the ends and the worst in the middle. How could you do that if you didn’t know how to distinguish between good and bad?” “In fact,” the young man replied, “he didn’t teach me that; I guess we have to learn ourselves how to identify the good soldiers from the bad.” “If you don’t mind,” Socrates continued, “let’s think about how a general should approach this. If it’s about money, shouldn’t he lead with the most greedy soldiers up front? If it involves a risky situation, shouldn’t he send the most ambitious ones, since they are driven by glory and are willing to face danger? And as for identifying them, you shouldn’t have much trouble because they are pretty open about their intentions. But tell me, when this master showed you the different ways to arrange an army, did he explain when to use one method over another?” “Not at all,” he replied. “And yet,” Socrates said, “the same order shouldn’t always be followed, nor the same commands given; it should change based on different circumstances.” “He didn’t teach me anything about that,” the young man said. “Then go back to him,” Socrates suggested, “and ask him about it. If he knows anything about the subject and has even a bit of honor, he will be embarrassed to have taken your money while leaving you so poorly informed.”

CHAPTER II. THE CHARACTER OF A GOOD PRINCE.

Another time he asked a general, whom the Athenians had lately chosen, why Homer calls Agamemnon the pastor of the people? “Is it not,” said he, “because as a shepherd ought to take care of his flocks, that they be well and want for nothing; so a general ought to take care to keep his soldiers always in a good condition, to see they be supplied with provisions, and to bring to a happy issue the design that made them take arms, which is to overcome their enemies, and to live more happily afterwards? And why does the same poet praise Agamemnon likewise for being—

Another time he asked a general, whom the Athenians had recently chosen, why Homer calls Agamemnon the leader of the people. "Is it not," he said, "because just like a shepherd should care for his flocks to ensure they’re healthy and lack nothing, a general should take care to keep his soldiers in good shape, make sure they have enough supplies, and successfully achieve the goal that got them to fight, which is to defeat their enemies and live more happily afterward? And why does the same poet praise Agamemnon for being—

‘At once a gracious prince and generous warrior’?

‘At once a gracious prince and a generous warrior’?

For is it not true, that to gain a prince the character of being generous and a warrior too, it is not sufficient to be brave in his own person, and to fight with intrepidity; but he must likewise animate the whole army, and be the cause that every soldier behave himself like him? and to gain the reputation of a good and gracious prince, it is not enough to have secured his private affairs, he must also take care that plenty and happiness be seen in all places of his dominions. For kings are not chosen to take care of themselves only, but to render happy the people who choose them. All people engage in war only to secure their own quiet, and choose commanders that they may have guides to conduct them to the end which they propose to themselves. A general, therefore, ought to prepare the way of good fortune to those who raise him to that dignity; this is the most glorious success he can desire, as nothing can be more ignominious to him than to do the contrary.”

Isn’t it true that to earn the title of a generous and courageous prince, it’s not enough for him to be brave and fight valiantly on his own? He also needs to inspire the entire army and ensure that every soldier acts like him. And to be seen as a good and kind prince, it’s not enough to just take care of his own interests; he must ensure that prosperity and happiness are visible throughout his realm. Kings aren’t chosen just to look after themselves, but to bring joy to the people who elect them. Everyone goes to war to secure their own peace and selects leaders to guide them toward their goals. Therefore, a general should create a path to good fortune for those who elevate him to that position; this is the most glorious achievement he can aim for, as nothing would be more shameful than the opposite.

We see by this discourse that Socrates, designing to give the idea of a good prince, required scarce anything of him but to render his subjects happy.

We can see from this discussion that Socrates, intending to describe a good prince, asked for hardly anything from him except to make his subjects happy.

CHAPTER III. ON THE BUSINESS OF A GENERAL OF HORSE.

Socrates at another time, as I well remember, had the following conference with a general of the cavalry:—

Socrates, at another time, as I clearly remember, had the following conversation with a general of the cavalry:—

“What was your reason,” said Socrates, “to desire this office? I cannot think it was that you might march first at the head of the troops, for the horse-archers are to march before you. Nor can I believe it was to make yourself be known, for no men are more generally known than madmen. Perhaps it was because you thought you could mend what was amiss in the cavalry, and make the troops better than they are, to the end that if the Republic should have occasion to use them, you might be able to do your country some eminent service.” “That is my design,” answered the other. “It were well you could do this,” said Socrates, “but does not your office oblige you to have an eye on the horses and troopers?” “Most certainly.” “What course will you then take,” continued Socrates, “to get good horses?” “It is not my business to look to that,” replied the general; “every trooper must take care for himself.” “And what,” said Socrates, “if they bring you horses whose feet and legs are good for nothing, or that are so weak and lean that they cannot keep up with the others, or so restive and vicious that it would be impossible to make them keep their ranks, what good could you expect from such cavalry? What service would you be able to do the State?” “You are much in the right, Socrates, and I promise you I will take care what horses are in my troops.” “And will you not have an eye likewise on the troopers?” “Yes,” answered he. “In my opinion then,” answered Socrates, “the first thing you ought to do is to make them learn to get a horseback.” “No doubt of it,” replied the general, “for by that means they would the more easily escape, if they should happen to be thrown off their horses.” Socrates went on: “You ought also to make them exercise, sometimes here, sometimes there, and particularly in places like those where the enemy generally is, that they may be good horsemen in all sorts of countries; for when you are to fight you will not send to bid the enemy come to you in the plain, where you used to exercise your horse. You must train them up, likewise, to lance the spear; and if you would make them very brave fellows, you must inspire them with a principle of honour, and inflame them with rage against the enemy.” “Fear not,” said he, “that I will spare my labour.” “But have you,” resumed Socrates, “thought on the means to make yourself obeyed? for without that all your brave troopers will avail you nothing.” “It is true,” said he, “but how shall I gain that point of them?” “Know you not,” said Socrates, “that in all things men readily obey those whom they believe most capable? Thus in our sickness we most willingly submit to the prescriptions of the best physicians; at sea, to the most I skilful pilot; and in affairs of agriculture, to him who has most experience in it.” “All this I grant you.” “It is then to be presumed, that in the conduct of the cavalry he who makes it appear that he understands it best will be the person whom the others will be best pleased to obey.” “But if I let them see that I am most worthy to command, will that be sufficient to make them obey me?” “Yes, certainly,” said Socrates, “if you can persuade them besides that their honour and safety depend on that obedience.” “And how shall I be able to make them sensible of this?” “With less trouble,” answered Socrates, “than it would be to prove that it is better to be virtuous than vicious.” “Then a general,” added the other, “ought to study the art of speaking well?” “Do you imagine,” said Socrates, “that he will be able to execute his office without speaking a word? It is by speech that we know what the laws command us to learn for the conduct of our lives. No excellent knowledge can be attained without the use of speech; the best method to instruct is by discourse, and they who are thoroughly versed in the sciences speak with the applause of all the world. But have you observed,” continued he, “that in all sorts of occasions the Athenians distinguish themselves above all the Greeks, and that no Republic can show such youths as that of Athens? For example: when we send from hence a choir of musicians to the Temple of Apollo in the Isle of Delos, it is certain that none comparable to them are sent from other cities; not that the Athenians have better voices than the others, nor that their bodies are more robust and better made, but the reason is because they are more fond of honour, and this desire of honour is what excites men to excellent actions. Do not you think, therefore, that if good care were taken of our cavalry, it would excel that of other nations, in the beauty of arms and horses, in order of good discipline, and in bravery in fight; provided the Athenians were persuaded that this would be a means to acquire them glory and renown?” “I am of your opinion.” “Go, then, and take care of your troops,” said Socrates, “make them serviceable to you, that you may be so to the Republic.” “Your advice is good,” said he, “and I will immediately follow it.”

“What made you want this position?” Socrates asked. “I can’t believe it’s to lead the troops, since the horse archers will go ahead of you. And I doubt it’s for fame, because no one is more notorious than madmen. Maybe it’s because you think you can fix the problems in the cavalry and improve the troops, so that if needed, you can do your country a great service.” “That’s my goal,” the other replied. “It would be good if you could do that,” Socrates said, “but doesn’t your role require you to pay attention to the horses and soldiers?” “Absolutely.” “What will you do,” Socrates continued, “to get good horses?” “That’s not my responsibility,” the general replied. “Every trooper has to look out for themselves.” “And what if they bring you horses that are useless, or too weak and thin to keep up, or are so unruly that they can’t stay in formation? What good can you expect from such cavalry? How will you be able to serve the State?” “You’re right, Socrates, and I promise to pay attention to the horses in my troops.” “And will you also keep an eye on the soldiers?” “Yes,” he answered. “Then,” Socrates replied, “the first thing you should do is teach them how to ride.” “Of course,” the general said, “because that way they can escape if they get thrown off their horses.” Socrates continued: “You should also have them practice in different locations, especially in places like where the enemy usually is, so they can be good horsemen in any terrain. When it’s time to fight, you won’t be able to call the enemy to you in the flat areas where you practiced. You must train them to use their spears as well, and if you want them to be brave, you need to instill a sense of honor in them and ignite their anger against the enemy.” “Don’t worry,” he said, “I won’t hold back in my efforts.” “But,” Socrates resumed, “have you thought about how to get them to obey you? Because without that, all your brave soldiers won't mean much.” “That's true,” he said, “but how can I achieve that?” “Don’t you realize,” Socrates said, “that in everything, people are more likely to obey those they believe are most capable? For instance, when we’re sick, we submit to the best doctors; at sea, we follow the most skilled captain; and in farming, we turn to the most experienced farmer.” “I agree with all of that.” “Then it’s reasonable to assume that in leading the cavalry, the person who proves they understand it best will be the one others will most gladly obey.” “But if I show them I’m the most qualified to lead, will that be enough to get their obedience?” “Yes, definitely,” said Socrates, “if you can also convince them that their honor and safety depend on that obedience.” “How can I make them aware of this?” “With less difficulty,” Socrates replied, “than it would take to prove that being virtuous is better than being vicious.” “So a general,” the other added, “should study the art of speaking well?” “Do you think,” said Socrates, “that he can perform his duties without saying a word? It’s through speech that we learn what the laws require for leading our lives. No great knowledge can be gained without speech; the best way to teach is through conversation, and those who are truly skilled in the sciences speak with the recognition of the world. But have you noticed,” he continued, “that the Athenians stand out above all other Greeks on all occasions, and that no other city can match the youth of Athens? For instance, when we send a choir of musicians to the Temple of Apollo in Delos, we’re sure none from other cities can compare. It’s not because the Athenians have better voices or stronger bodies, but because they have a deeper love for honor, and this desire for honor drives people to perform great deeds. Don’t you think that if we took proper care of our cavalry, they would surpass those of other nations in weaponry, horse quality, discipline, and bravery in battle, provided the Athenians believed this would bring them glory and recognition?” “I agree with you.” “Then go and take care of your troops,” Socrates said, “make them useful to you, so you may be useful to the Republic.” “Your advice is good,” he said, “and I will follow it right away.”

CHAPTER IV. A DISCOURSE OF SOCRATES WITH NICOMACHIDES, IN WHICH HE SHOWETH THAT A MAN SKILFUL IN HIS OWN PROPER BUSINESS, AND WHO MANAGES HIS AFFAIRS WITH PRUDENCE AND SAGACITY, MAY MAKE, WHEN OCCASION OFFERS, A GOOD GENERAL.

Another time, Socrates meeting Nicomachides, who was coming from the assembly where they had chosen the magistrates, asked him, “of whom they had made choice to command the army?” Nicomachides answered: “Alas! the Athenians would not chose me; me! who have spent all my life in arms, and have gone through all the degrees of a soldier; who have been first a private sentinel, then a captain, next a colonel of horse, and who am covered all over with wounds that I have received in battles” (at these words he bared his breast, and showed the large scars which were remaining in several places of his body); “but they have chosen Antisthenes, who has never served in the infantry, who even in the cavalry never did anything remarkable, and whose only talent consists in knowing how to get money.” “So much the better,” said Socrates, “for then the army will be well paid.” “A merchant,” replied Nicomachides, “knows how to get money as well as he; and does it follow from thence that he is fit to be a general?” “You take no notice,” replied Socrates, “that Antisthenes is fond of honour, and desirous to excel all others in whatever he undertakes, which is a very necessary qualification in a general. Have you not observed, that whenever he gave a comedy to the people, he always gained the prize?” “There is a wide difference,” answered Nicomachides, “between commanding an army and giving orders concerning a comedy.” “But,” said Socrates, “though Antisthenes understands not music, nor the laws of the stage, yet he found out those who were skilful in both, and by their means succeeded extremely well.” “And when he is at the head of the army,” continued Nicomachides, “I suppose you will have him to find out too some to give orders, and some to fight for him?” “Why not?” replied Socrates, “for if in the affairs of war he take the same care to provide himself with persons skilful in that art, and fit to advise him, as he did in the affair of the plays, I see not what should hinder him from gaining the victory in the former as well as in the latter. And it is very likely that he will be better pleased to expend his treasure to obtain an entire victory over the enemy, which will redound to the honour and interest of the whole Republic, than to be at a great expense for shows, to overcome his citizens in magnificence, and to gain a victory, which can be honourable to none but himself and those of his tribe.” “We must then infer,” said Nicomachides, “that a man who knows well how to give a comedy knows well how to command an army?” “Let us rather conclude,” answered Socrates, “that every man who has judgment enough to know the things that are necessary for his designs, and can procure them, can never fail of success, whether he concern himself with the stage, or govern a State, or command an army, or manage a family.”

Another time, Socrates ran into Nicomachides, who was coming from the assembly where they had chosen the magistrates. He asked him, “Who did they choose to lead the army?” Nicomachides replied, “Alas! The Athenians wouldn’t choose me; me! I’ve spent my entire life in arms and have gone through every rank as a soldier. I’ve been a private sentinel, then a captain, next a colonel of cavalry, and I’m covered with wounds from battles” (at these words, he bared his chest and showed the large scars that were left on his body); “but they’ve chosen Antisthenes, who has never served in the infantry, who hasn’t done anything remarkable even in the cavalry, and whose only talent is knowing how to make money.” “So much the better,” Socrates said, “because then the army will be well-paid.” “A merchant,” Nicomachides replied, “knows how to make money just as well as he does; does that mean he’s fit to be a general?” “You don’t seem to notice,” Socrates replied, “that Antisthenes loves honor and wants to excel in everything he does, which is a very necessary quality in a general. Haven’t you noticed that whenever he put on a comedy for the people, he always won the prize?” “There’s a huge difference,” Nicomachides answered, “between commanding an army and directing a comedy.” “But,” Socrates said, “even though Antisthenes doesn’t understand music or the laws of the stage, he found those who were skilled in both and succeeded very well with their help.” “And when he’s leading the army,” Nicomachides continued, “I suppose you expect him to find others to give orders and fight for him?” “Why not?” Socrates replied, “If he takes the same care to surround himself with skilled people in warfare, as he did for the plays, I don’t see why he wouldn’t succeed in both. It’s very likely that he would prefer to spend his resources to achieve a complete victory over the enemy, which would honor the whole Republic, rather than spend a lot on shows to outdo his fellow citizens in splendor and to achieve a victory that is only honorable for himself and his tribe.” “So, we must conclude,” said Nicomachides, “that a man who knows how to put on a comedy knows how to command an army?” “Let’s rather conclude,” Socrates answered, “that any man who has the judgment to know what is necessary for his goals and can obtain them is bound to succeed, whether he’s in theater, governing a state, commanding an army, or managing a household.”

“Indeed,” resumed Nicomachides, “I could never have thought you would have told me, too, that a good economist would make a good general.” “Come, then,” said Socrates, “let us examine wherein consists the duty of the one and of the other, and see what relation there is between those two conditions. Must not both of them keep those that are under them in submission and obedience?” “I grant it.” “Must not both of them take care to employ every one in the business he is fit for? Must he not punish those who do amiss and reward those that do well? Must they not make themselves be esteemed by those they command? Ought they not alike to strengthen themselves with friends to assist them upon occasion? Ought they not to know how to preserve what belongs to them, and to be diligent and indefatigable in the performance of their duty?” “I own,” answered Nicomachides, “that all you have said concerns them equally; but if they were to fight it would not be the same as to both of them.” “Why?” said Socrates. “Have not both of them enemies?” “They have.” “And would it not be the advantage of both to get the better of them?” “I allow it,” said Nicomachides; “but what will economy be good for when they are to come to blows?” “It is then it will be most necessary,” replied Socrates. “For when the good economist sees that the greatest profit he can get is to overcome, and that the greatest loss he can suffer is to be beaten, he will prepare himself with all the advantages that can procure him the victory, and will carefully avoid whatever might be the cause of his defeat. Thus, when he sees his army well provided with all things, and in a condition that seems to promise a good success, he will give his enemies battle; but when he wants anything he will avoid coming to an engagement with them. Thus you see how economy may be of use to him; and therefore, Nicomachides, despise not those who apply themselves to it; for between the conduct of a family and that of a State the sole difference is that of a greater or lesser number; for as to all besides there is much conformity between them. The sum of what I have advanced is this, that without men there could not be any policy or any economy, that they are often executed by the same persons, and that they who are called to the government of the Republic are the very same whom great men employ for their private affairs. Lastly, that they who make use of proper persons for their several businesses are successful in their economy and in politics; and that, on the contrary, they who fail in this point commit great faults both in one and the other.”

“Indeed,” Nicomachides continued, “I never thought you would also tell me that a good economist makes a good general.” “Well then,” Socrates replied, “let’s look into what each of their duties involves and see how those two roles are connected. Don’t both of them need to keep those under their command in line and obedient?” “I agree.” “Shouldn’t both of them ensure that everyone does the work they are suited for? Shouldn’t they punish those who mess up and reward those who do well? Must they not earn the respect of those they lead? Shouldn’t they also build relationships with allies to support them when needed? Should they not know how to protect what is theirs and be diligent and tireless in fulfilling their responsibilities?” “I admit,” Nicomachides replied, “that everything you mentioned applies to both; but if they were to engage in battle, it wouldn’t be the same for both.” “Why not?” Socrates asked. “Don’t they both have enemies?” “They do.” “And wouldn’t it benefit both of them to defeat those enemies?” “I agree,” Nicomachides said; “but what good is economics when it comes to fighting?” “That’s when it’s most crucial,” Socrates answered. “Because when a good economist realizes that winning is the greatest gain and losing is the greatest loss, they will prepare with every advantage to secure victory and will carefully avoid anything that could lead to defeat. So when they see their army well-equipped and in a favorable position for success, they will engage the enemy; but if they are lacking, they will steer clear of a confrontation. This shows how economics can benefit them; therefore, Nicomachides, don’t look down on those who focus on it, for the only difference between managing a household and governing a state is the scale; otherwise, they have much in common. In summary, I assert that without people, there can be no policy or economy, that often the same individuals carry out both roles, and that those in charge of the Republic are often the same people whom influential figures rely on for their personal matters. Finally, those who employ the right people for their various tasks are successful in both their economic and political efforts; conversely, those who fail in this area make significant mistakes in both.”

CHAPTER V. A CONVERSATION BETWEEN SOCRATES AND PERICLES CONCERNING THE THEN PRESENT STATE OF THE REPUBLIC OF ATHENS, IN WHICH SOCRATES LAYS DOWN A METHOD BY WHICH THE ATHENIANS MAY RECOVER THEIR ANCIENT LUSTRE AND REPUTATION.

Socrates one day being in company with Pericles, the son of the great Pericles, introduced the following discourse:—

Socrates was once hanging out with Pericles, the son of the famous Pericles, and started the following conversation:—

“I hope that when you command the army the Republic will be more successful and gain more glory in their wars than formerly.” “I should be glad of it,” answered Pericles, “but I see little likelihood of it.” “We may bring this matter to the test,” said Socrates. “Is it not true that the Bœotians are not more numerous than the Athenians?” “I know it.” “Nor are they either braver or stronger?” “True, they are not.” “Do you believe that they agree better among themselves?” “Quite the contrary,” said Pericles; “for there is a great misunderstanding between most of the Bœotians and the Thebans, because of the great hardships the latter put upon the former, and we have nothing of this among us.” “But the Bœotians,” replied Socrates, “are wonderfully ambitions and obliging; and these are the qualities that naturally push men on to expose themselves for the sake of glory and of their country.” “The Athenians,” answered Pericles, “come not short of them in either of those qualities.” “It is true,” replied Socrates, “that there is no nation whose ancestors have done braver actions, and in greater number, than those of the Athenians. And these domestic examples excite us to courage, and create in us a true love of virtue and bravery.” “Notwithstanding all this,” continued Pericles, “you see that after the defeat of Tolmides at Lebadia, where we lost a thousand men, and after another misfortune that happened to Hippocrates before Delium, the greatness of the Athenians is sunk so low, and the courage of the Bœotians so increased, that they, who even in their own country durst not look the Athenians in the face without the assistance of the Lacedemonians and of the other States of the Peloponnesus, now threaten Attica with their single forces. And that the Athenians, who before ravaged Bœotia when it was not defended by foreign troops, begin to fear, in their turn, that the Bœotians will put Attica to fire and sword.” “In my opinion,” answered Socrates, “a governor ought to be well pleased to find a republic in such a condition, for fear makes a people more careful, more obedient, and more submissive. Whereas a too great security is attended with carelessness, luxury, and disobedience. This is plainly seen in men who are at sea. When they fear not anything, there is nothing in the ship but confusion and disorder; but when they apprehend that they shall be attacked by pirates, or that a tempest is hanging over their head, they not only do whatever they are commanded, but even observe a profound silence, waiting the order of their captain, and are as decent and orderly in their behaviour and motions as those who dance at a public entertainment.”

“I hope that when you lead the army, the Republic will be more successful and gain more glory in their wars than before.” “I would be happy about that,” replied Pericles, “but I don’t see much chance of it.” “We can test this,” said Socrates. “Isn’t it true that the Bœotians aren’t more numerous than the Athenians?” “I know that.” “And they aren’t braver or stronger either?” “True, they aren’t.” “Do you believe they cooperate better among themselves?” “Quite the opposite,” said Pericles; “there’s a lot of misunderstanding between most of the Bœotians and the Thebans due to the hardships the latter impose on the former, and we don’t have that among us.” “But the Bœotians,” Socrates responded, “are very ambitious and accommodating; those traits naturally drive people to risk themselves for glory and their country.” “The Athenians,” replied Pericles, “are just as strong in those qualities.” “It’s true,” Socrates conceded, “that no nation has ancestors who have achieved braver feats or in greater numbers than the Athenians. And these local examples inspire us to courage and instill a true love of virtue and bravery in us.” “Despite all this,” Pericles continued, “you can see that after Tolmides was defeated at Lebadia, where we lost a thousand men, and after another setback for Hippocrates at Delium, the greatness of the Athenians is in decline, and the courage of the Bœotians has risen so much that they, who wouldn’t even face the Athenians in their own land without help from the Spartans and other states in the Peloponnesus, now threaten Attica on their own. And the Athenians, who previously plundered Bœotia when it wasn’t defended by outside troops, are starting to fear that the Bœotians will set Attica ablaze.” “In my view,” Socrates replied, “a leader should be glad to see a republic in such a situation, because fear makes a people more cautious, compliant, and submissive. On the other hand, too much security leads to carelessness, luxury, and disobedience. This is clearly visible in people at sea. When they aren’t afraid of anything, the ship is full of chaos and disorder; but when they fear an attack from pirates or realize a storm is approaching, they not only follow orders but also maintain a deep silence, waiting for their captain’s commands, and behave as decently and orderly as those who are dancing at a public celebration.”

“We shall yield, then,” replied Pericles, “that the Athenians are obedient. But how shall we do to create in them an emulation to imitate the virtue of their ancestors to equal their reputation and to restore the happiness of their age in this present one?” “If we would have them,” answered Socrates, “make themselves masters of an estate, which is in the possession of others, we need only tell them that it is descended to them from their forefathers, and they will immediately be for having it again. If we would encourage them to take the first rank among the virtuous, we must persuade them that it is their due from all antiquity, and that if they will take care to preserve to themselves this advantage they will infallibly likewise surpass others in power. We must frequently represent to them that the most ancient of their predecessors were highly esteemed on account of their great virtue.” “You would be understood,” said Pericles, “to speak of the contention of two of the divinities concerning the patronage of the city of Athens, of which the citizens, in the days of Cecrops, were chosen arbitrators on account of their virtue.” “You are in the right,” said Socrates; “but I would have them be put in mind likewise of the birth and nourishment of Erictheus, and of the war that was in his time against the neighbouring nations; as also of that which was made in favour of the descendants of Hercules against the people of Peloponnesus, and, in short, of all the other wars that were in the days of Theseus, in which our ancestors were always reputed the most valiant men of their age. If you think fit, they may likewise be told what the descendants of these ancients and our predecessors of the last age have done. They may be represented to them as resisting sometimes with their own forces only the nations whom all Asia obeyed, whose dominions extended into Europe as far as Macedonia, and who had inherited a potent empire from their fathers, together with formidable forces, and who were already renowned for many great exploits. Sometimes you must relate to them the victories they gained by sea and land in conjunction with the Lacedemonians, who are likewise reputed a very brave people. They should be told also that great commotions being arisen among the Greeks, and the most part of them having changed their places of abode, the Athenians always continued in their country, that they have been chosen by several people to arbitrate their differences, and that the oppressed have always fled to them for protection.” “When I reflect on all this,” said Pericles, “I am surprised to see the Republic so much fallen off from what it was.” “In my opinion,” replied Socrates, “she has behaved herself like those persons who, for having too great advantage over their rivals, begin to neglect themselves, and grow in the end pusillanimous, for after the Athenians saw themselves raised above the other Greeks they indulged themselves in indolence, and became at length degenerate.”

“We'll agree, then,” replied Pericles, “that the Athenians are obedient. But how can we inspire them to emulate the virtues of their ancestors to match their reputation and bring back the prosperity of their era to our time?” “If we want them,” answered Socrates, “to claim control of a property that belongs to others, we just need to tell them it originally came from their forefathers, and they'll immediately want it back. If we want to encourage them to achieve the highest status among the virtuous, we must convince them that it's their rightful claim from ancient times, and that if they preserve this advantage, they'll undoubtedly surpass others in power. We must often remind them that the oldest of their predecessors were greatly respected for their remarkable virtue.” “You must mean,” said Pericles, “the rivalry between two deities for the guardianship of the city of Athens, with the citizens, in the time of Cecrops, chosen as judges due to their virtue.” “You're correct,” said Socrates; “but I also want them to remember the birth and upbringing of Erictheus, and the wars during his time against neighboring nations; also, the battles fought in support of the descendants of Hercules against the people of Peloponnesus, and in short, all the other wars in the days of Theseus, in which our ancestors were always regarded as the bravest of their time. If you wish, they can also be informed about what the descendants of these ancients and our recent predecessors accomplished. They should be reminded that sometimes they stood alone against nations obeyed by all of Asia, whose territories reached into Europe as far as Macedonia, and who inherited a powerful empire from their forefathers, along with formidable armies, already famous for many great deeds. Sometimes you should recount their victories by sea and land alongside the Lacedemonians, who are also thought to be very brave. They should also be told that during great upheavals among the Greeks, when most changed their homes, the Athenians always remained in their land, chosen by various people to settle disputes, and that the oppressed have consistently sought their protection.” “When I think about all this,” said Pericles, “I’m astonished to see how far the Republic has fallen.” “In my view,” replied Socrates, “it's behaved like those who, having gained too much advantage over their rivals, begin to neglect themselves and eventually become timid, because once the Athenians elevated themselves above the other Greeks, they became complacent and ultimately degenerated.”

“What course must they take now,” said Pericles, “to regain the lustre of their ancient virtue?” “They need only call to mind,” replied Socrates, “what were the exercises and the discipline of their ancestors, and if, like them, they apply themselves to those practices, they will no doubt arrive at their perfection; or if they will not govern themselves by that example, let them imitate the nations that are now uppermost; let them observe the same conduct, follow the same customs, and be assured they will equal, if not surpass them, if they labour to do so.” “You seem to be of opinion, my dear Socrates, that virtue is much estranged from our Republic? And, indeed, when will the Athenians respect old age as they of Sparta do, since they begin, even by their own fathers, to deride men advanced in years? When, too, will they use themselves to the manly exercises of that Republic, since they not only neglect the good disposition and activity of body, but laugh at those who endeavour to acquire them? When will they be obedient to the magistrates, they who make it a glory to despise them? When will they be in perfect unity, they who, instead of assisting, daily prejudice one another, and who envy one another more than they do all the rest of mankind? They are every day quarrelling in the public and private assemblies; they are every day suing one another, and had rather find their own advantage in the ruin of their neighbours than get an honest gain by reciprocally assisting one another. The magistrates mind not the Government of the Republic any farther than their own interests are concerned, and, therefore, they use their utmost endeavours to be in office and authority; and for this reason in the administration of the State there is so much ignorance and malice, and such animosities, and so many different parties among private persons. And I much fear that this mischief will get such a head that at length there will be no remedy against it, and that the Republic will sink under the weight of its misfortunes.”

“What should they do now,” said Pericles, “to regain the shine of their ancient values?” “They only need to remember,” replied Socrates, “what the practices and discipline of their ancestors were. If they, like those before them, commit to those ways, they will certainly achieve their potential; or if they refuse to follow that example, let them mimic the nations that are currently in power. They should observe the same behavior, adopt the same customs, and be assured they will match, if not exceed, them if they put in the effort.” “You seem to believe, my dear Socrates, that virtue is quite distant from our Republic? And truly, when will the Athenians respect old age like the Spartans do, when they even ridicule older men, including their own fathers? When will they engage in the honorable practices of that Republic, given that they not only disregard physical fitness and vitality, but also mock those striving to achieve them? When will they obey the magistrates, who take pride in disrespecting them? When will they stand united, they who, instead of helping each other, routinely undermine one another and are more envious of each other than of all other people? They are constantly arguing in both public and private gatherings; they are always suing each other and would rather benefit from the downfall of their neighbors than earn an honest gain by supporting one another. The magistrates only care about the Republic's governance as far as their own interests are involved, and so they do whatever it takes to remain in power; consequently, the administration of the State is filled with ignorance and malice, hostility, and numerous conflicting factions among individuals. I’m afraid this problem will grow to a point where it will become irreparable, and ultimately, the Republic will collapse under the burden of its misfortunes.”

“Fear it not,” said Socrates, “and do not believe that the Athenians labour under an incurable disease. Do you not observe how skilful and obedient they are at sea, that in the combats for prizes they exactly obey the orders of those that preside there, and in the comedies how readily they comply with what they are bid to do?” “I see it well,” answered Pericles, “and cannot but wonder that they are so ready to obey in these and the like occasions, and that the military men, who ought to be the chosen part of the citizens, are so mutinous and refractory.” “And what say you,” pursued Socrates, “to the Senate of the Areopagus; are they not all of them persons of great worth? Do you know any judges who discharge their office with more integrity, and who more exactly observe the laws, who more faithfully render justice to private men, and who more worthily acquit themselves of all manner of affairs?” “I blame them not,” said Pericles. “Despair not, then, of the Athenians,” added Socrates, “as of an untractable people.” “But it is in war,” replied Pericles, “that much discipline is required, and much modesty and obedience, and these things the Athenians wholly want in that occasion.” “Perhaps, too,” continued Socrates, “they who command them know little of their own duty. Do you not take notice that no man undertakes to govern a company of musicians, or of comedians, or of dancers, or of wrestlers, unless he be capable of it; and that all who take such employments upon them can give an account where they have learnt the exercises of which they are become masters? Our misfortunes in war, then, I very much apprehend, must be owing in a great measure to the bad education of our generals.

“Don’t be afraid,” said Socrates, “and don’t think that the Athenians have an incurable issue. Don’t you see how skilled and obedient they are at sea? In competitions for prizes, they faithfully follow the orders of the leaders, and in comedies, they willingly do what they’re asked?” “I see that,” answered Pericles, “and I can’t help but be amazed at how ready they are to obey in these situations, while the military men, who should be the elite citizens, are so rebellious and disobedient.” “What do you think,” continued Socrates, “about the Senate of the Areopagus? Aren’t they all people of great value? Do you know any judges who execute their duties with more integrity, who more precisely follow the laws, who more faithfully deliver justice to individuals, and who manage all types of affairs more admirably?” “I don’t blame them,” said Pericles. “Then don’t lose hope in the Athenians,” added Socrates, “as if they were impossible to manage.” “But it’s in war,” replied Pericles, “that discipline, modesty, and obedience are essential, and these are qualities the Athenians completely lack in that context.” “Maybe,” Socrates continued, “those who lead them are also unaware of their responsibilities. Have you noticed that no one tries to lead a group of musicians, comedians, dancers, or wrestlers unless they are qualified to do so? And everyone who takes on those roles can explain where they learned the skills they now master. So, I really fear that our failures in war are largely due to the poor training of our generals.”

“I know very well that you are not of this number, and that you have improved to your advantage the time you have spent in learning the art of war and other laudable exercises. I imagine, likewise, that in the memoirs of your father, the great Pericles, you have found many rare stratagems, and that by your diligence you have also collected up and down a great number of others. Nor do I doubt but that you frequently meditate on these matters, that nothing may be wanting in you that may be of use to a general. Insomuch, that if you find yourself in doubt of anything, you immediately have recourse to those that know it, and spare neither presents nor civilities to incline them to assist you and to teach you the things of which you are ignorant.” “Alas! Socrates,” said Pericles, “you flatter me, and flatter me for many things that, I am afraid, I am deficient in; but by that you instruct me in my duty.”

“I know very well that you are not among those, and that you have made the most of your time learning the art of war and other commendable skills. I also believe that in your father’s memoirs, the great Pericles, you have found many unique strategies, and that through your hard work, you've gathered numerous others as well. I have no doubt that you often think about these topics, so that you lack nothing that could help you as a general. Indeed, if you find yourself uncertain about anything, you immediately reach out to those who know, and you don’t hesitate to offer gifts or show kindness to encourage them to help and teach you what you do not know.” “Alas! Socrates,” said Pericles, “you flatter me, and praise me for many things for which I fear I fall short; but in doing so, you guide me in my responsibilities.”

Upon this Socrates, interrupting him—“I will,” said he, “give you an advice. Have you not observed that in the high mountains, which are the frontiers of Attica, and divide it from Bœotia, the roads through which you must of necessity pass to go from one country to the other are very rough and narrow?” “Yes, I have.” “Tell me, besides, have you never heard say that the Mysians and the Pisidians, who are in possession of advantageous places where they dwell in the dominions of the King of Persia, arm themselves lightly, and make continual inroads upon the neighbouring provinces, and by that means are very troublesome to that king’s subjects, and preserve their own liberty?” “I have heard so.” “It is probable, too,” continued Socrates, “that if the Athenians would possess themselves of the mountains that are between Bœotia and Attica, and if they took care to send thither some young men with arms proper for inroaders, our enemies would be much prejudiced by them, and all those mountains would be as a great rampart to cover our country from their insults.” “I believe what you say,” answered Pericles, “and take all the advices you have given me to be very good.” “If you think them so,” replied Socrates, “endeavour, my friend, to put them in practice; for if any of them succeed you will receive the honour, and the Republic the profit; and even though they should not meet with success the Republic would have no inconvenience to apprehend, nor you the least dishonour.”

Upon this, Socrates interrupted him, saying, “I want to give you some advice. Have you noticed that in the high mountains, which are the borders of Attica and separate it from Bœotia, the roads you have to take to get from one place to the other are very rough and narrow?” “Yes, I have.” “Also, haven’t you heard that the Mysians and the Pisidians, who live in strong positions under the Persian king, arm themselves lightly and frequently raid the neighboring provinces, causing trouble for that king’s subjects while maintaining their own freedom?” “I have heard that.” “It’s likely,” Socrates continued, “that if the Athenians were to take control of the mountains between Bœotia and Attica, and if they sent some young warriors equipped for raids there, our enemies would be greatly harmed, and those mountains would act as a strong barrier to protect our land from their attacks.” “I believe what you’re saying,” Pericles replied, “and I consider all the advice you’ve given me to be very wise.” “If you believe that,” Socrates said, “try, my friend, to put these ideas into action; for if any of them succeed, you will gain the honor, and the Republic will benefit. Even if they don’t work out, the Republic won’t face any difficulties, and you won’t suffer any disgrace.”

CHAPTER VI. SOCRATES DISSUADES GLAUCON, A VERY FORWARD YOUTH, FROM TAKING UPON HIM THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH HE WAS UNFIT.

A young man whose name was Glaucon, the son of Ariston, had so fixed it in his head to govern the Republic, that before he was twenty years of age he frequently presented himself before the people to discourse of affairs of state; nor was it in the power of his relations or friends to dissuade him from that design, though all the world laughed at him for it, and though sometimes he was dragged from the tribunal by force. Socrates had a kindness for him, upon account of Plato and Charmidas, and he only it was who made him change his resolution. He met him, and accosted him in so winning a manner, that he first obliged him to hearken to his discourse. He began with him thus:—

A young man named Glaucon, the son of Ariston, was so determined to govern the Republic that before he turned twenty, he often appeared before the people to discuss political matters. Neither his relatives nor his friends could convince him to abandon this ambition, even though everyone mocked him for it, and there were times he was forcibly removed from the assembly. Socrates, who had a fondness for him because of Plato and Charmidas, was the only one who managed to change his mind. He approached Glaucon in such a charming way that he first made him listen to what he had to say. He started the conversation like this:—

“You have a mind, then, to govern the Republic, my friend?” “I have so,” answered Glaucon. “You cannot,” replied Socrates, “have a more noble design; for if you can accomplish it you will be absolute. You will be able to serve your friends, you will raise your family, you will extend the bounds of your country, you will be known not only in Athens but through all Greece, and perhaps your renown will fly even to the barbarous nations, as did that of Themistocles. In short, wherever you come you will be respected and admired.”

“You want to govern the Republic, my friend?” “I do,” Glaucon replied. “You can’t have a more noble goal,” Socrates said, “because if you succeed, you will have absolute power. You’ll be able to support your friends, raise your family, expand your country’s borders, and you’ll be known not just in Athens but throughout all of Greece. Maybe your fame will even reach the uncivilized nations, just like Themistocles. In short, wherever you go, you will be respected and admired.”

These words soothed up Glaucon, and won him to give ear to Socrates, who went on in this manner:—“But it is certain, my dear friend, that if you desire to be honoured, you must be useful to the State.” “Certainly,” said Glaucon. “I conjure you, then, to tell me,” replied Socrates, “what is the first service that you desire to render the State?” Glaucon was considering what to answer, when Socrates continued:—“If you intended to make the fortune of one of your friends, you would endeavour to make him rich, and thus perhaps you will make it your business to enrich the Republic.” “I would,” answered Glaucon. “Would not the way to enrich the Republic,” replied Socrates, “be to increase its revenue?” “It is very likely it would,” said Glaucon. “Tell me, then, in what consists the revenue of the State, and to how much it may amount? I presume you have particularly studied this matter, to the end that if anything should be lost on one hand, you might know where to make it good on another, and that if a fund should fail on a sudden, you might immediately be able to settle another in its place.” “I protest,” answered Glaucon, “I have never thought of this.” “Tell me at least the expenses of the Republic, for no doubt you intend to retrench the superfluous.” “I never thought of this neither,” said Glaucon. “You had best, then, put off to another time your design of enriching the Republic, which you can never be able to do while you are ignorant both of its expense and revenue.”

These words calmed Glaucon and made him more willing to listen to Socrates, who continued: “But it’s clear, my dear friend, that if you want to be respected, you need to be helpful to the State.” “Absolutely,” said Glaucon. “So, please tell me,” Socrates replied, “what’s the first service you want to offer to the State?” Glaucon was thinking about his response when Socrates went on: “If you were trying to help a friend get ahead, you’d focus on making him wealthy, and maybe you should do the same for the Republic.” “I would,” Glaucon replied. “Wouldn’t a way to make the Republic wealthy be to boost its revenue?” Socrates asked. “That seems likely,” said Glaucon. “So tell me, what makes up the revenue of the State, and how much can it be?” I assume you’ve looked into this, so if something is lost on one side, you’d know how to recover it on the other, and if a fund suddenly dries up, you’d quickly set up another in its place.” “Honestly,” Glaucon replied, “I’ve never thought about this.” “At least tell me the expenses of the Republic, as you surely plan to cut back on the unnecessary.” “I haven't considered this either,” Glaucon said. “Then it’s better to postpone your plan to enrich the Republic, since you won't be able to do it while you're unaware of both its expenses and revenue.”

“There is another way to enrich a State,” said Glaucon, “of which you take no notice, and that is by the ruin of its enemies.” “You are in the right,” answered Socrates; “but to this end it is necessary to be stronger than they, otherwise we should run the hazard of losing what we have. He, therefore, who talks of undertaking a war, ought to know the strength on both sides, to the end that if his party be the stronger, he may boldly advise for war, and that if it be the weaker, he may dissuade the people from engaging themselves in so dangerous an enterprise.” “All this is true.” “Tell me, then,” continued Socrates, “how strong our forces are by sea and land, and how strong are our enemies?” “Indeed,” said Glaucon, “I cannot tell you that on a sudden.” “If you have a list of them in writing, pray show it me, I should be glad to hear it read.” “I never took a list of them.” “I see, then,” said Socrates, “that we shall not engage in war so soon; for it is like that the greatness of the undertaking will hinder you from maturely weighing all the consequences of it in the beginning of your government. But,” continued he, “you have thought of the defence of the country, you know what garrisons are necessary, and what are not; you know what number of troops is sufficient in one garrison, and not sufficient in another; you will cause the necessary garrisons to be reinforced, and will disband those that are useless?” “I should be of opinion,” said Glaucon, “to leave none of them on foot, because they ruin a country, on pretence of defending it.” “But,” Socrates objected, “if all the garrisons were taken away, there would be nothing to hinder the first comer from carrying off what he pleased. But how come you to know that the garrisons behave themselves so ill? Have you been upon the place, have you seen them?” “Not at all; but I suspect it to be so.” “When, therefore, we are certain of it,” said Socrates, “and can speak upon better grounds than simple conjectures, we will propose this advice to the Senate.” “It will be very proper to do so,” said Glaucon.

“There’s another way to strengthen a state,” Glaucon said, “that you haven’t mentioned, and that’s by defeating its enemies.” “You’re right,” Socrates replied, “but for that, we need to be stronger than they are; otherwise, we risk losing what we already have. So anyone who talks about going to war should know the strength of both sides, so if our side is stronger, they can confidently support the war, and if it’s weaker, they can advise against getting involved in such a risky venture.” “That’s all true.” “Then tell me,” Socrates continued, “how strong our forces are by land and sea, and how strong our enemies are?” “Honestly,” Glaucon said, “I can’t tell you that right off.” “If you have a list of them written down, please show it to me; I’d like to hear it read.” “I’ve never made a list.” “I see then,” Socrates said, “that we won’t be going to war anytime soon; it’s likely that the scale of the undertaking keeps you from carefully considering all its consequences at the start of your leadership. But,” he continued, “you have thought about the defense of the country; you know which garrisons are necessary and which aren’t; you know how many troops are needed in one garrison and not enough in another; you’ll ensure the necessary garrisons are reinforced and disband those that are pointless?” “I believe,” Glaucon said, “that we shouldn’t keep any of them, as they ruin a country under the guise of defending it.” “But,” Socrates argued, “if we took all the garrisons away, there’d be nothing stopping anyone from coming in and taking whatever they wanted. But how do you know that the garrisons are behaving so badly? Have you been there and seen them?” “Not at all, but I have my suspicions.” “Once we are certain about it,” Socrates said, “and can speak more confidently than just guesswork, we will bring this advice to the Senate.” “That would be very appropriate,” Glaucon said.

“It comes into my mind too,” continued Socrates, “that you have never been at the mines of silver, to examine why they bring not in so much now as they did formerly.” “You say true, I have never been there.” “Indeed, they say the place is very unhealthy, and that may excuse you.” “You rally me now,” said Glaucon. Socrates added, “But I believe you have at least observed how much corn our lands produce, how long it will serve to supply our city, and how much more we shall want for the whole year, to the end you may not be surprised with a scarcity of bread, but may give timely orders for the necessary provisions.” “There is a deal to do,” said Glaucon, “if we must take care of all these things.” “There is so,” replied Socrates; “and it is even impossible to manage our own families well unless we know all that is wanting, and take care to provide it. As you see, therefore, that our city is composed of above ten thousand families, and it being a difficult task to watch over them all at once, why did you not first try to retrieve your uncle’s affairs, which are running to decay, that after having given a proof of your care, faithfulness, and capacity in that smaller trust, you might have taken upon you a greater? But now, when you find yourself incapable of aiding a private man, how can you think of behaving yourself so as to be useful to a whole people? Ought a man who has not strength enough to carry a hundred pound weight undertake to carry a burden that is much heavier?” “I would have done good service to my uncle,” said Glaucon, “if he would have taken my advice.” “How!” replied Socrates; “have you hitherto been unable to govern your uncle, who is but one person, and do you imagine, when you have failed in that, to govern the whole Athenians, whose minds are so fickle and inconstant? Take heed, my dear Glaucon, take heed, lest a too great desire of glory should render you despised. Consider how dangerous it is to speak and employ ourselves about things we do not understand. What a figure do those forward and rash people make in the world who do so: and you yourself may judge whether they acquire more esteem than blame, whether they are more admired than contemned. Think, on the contrary, with how much honour a man is regarded who understands perfectly what he says and what he does, and then you will confess that renown and applause have always been the recompense of true merit, and shame the reward of ignorance and temerity. If, therefore, you would be honoured, endeavour to be a man of true merit, for if you enter upon the government of the Republic with a mind more sagacious than usual, I shall not wonder if you succeed in all your designs.”

“It comes to my mind too,” Socrates continued, “that you have never been to the silver mines to see why they’re not producing as much now as they used to.” “That's true, I haven't,” Glaucon replied. “In fact, they say the area is very unhealthy, which might explain your absence.” “You're teasing me now,” Glaucon said. Socrates added, “But I believe you have at least noticed how much grain our land produces, how long it will last to feed our city, and how much more we’ll need for the whole year, so you won’t be caught off guard by a shortage of bread and can make timely arrangements for necessary supplies.” “It’s a lot to handle,” Glaucon said, “if we have to take care of all these things.” “It is,” Socrates replied; “and it’s even impossible to manage our own households well unless we know what’s needed and make sure to provide it. Given that our city consists of over ten thousand families, and it's difficult to oversee them all at once, why didn’t you first try to help your uncle, whose situation is falling apart? Once you demonstrated your care, loyalty, and ability in that smaller responsibility, you could have taken on a larger one. But now, finding yourself unable to assist one person, how can you expect to be useful to an entire population? Should someone who can’t carry a hundred-pound weight attempt to lift something much heavier?” “I would have helped my uncle,” Glaucon said, “if he had only taken my advice.” “How?” Socrates replied; “You’ve been unable to manage your uncle, who is just one person, and you think, after failing in that, you'll govern all the Athenians, whose minds are so capricious and unpredictable? Be careful, my dear Glaucon, be careful, lest your excessive desire for glory makes you despised. Consider how dangerous it is to speak and act on things we don’t understand. Look at the impression those overly bold and reckless people make in the world: you can judge for yourself whether they earn more respect than disdain, whether they are admired more than scorned. Think, on the other hand, about the honor a person earns who truly understands what they say and do, and you’ll agree that reputation and praise are always rewards for true merit, while shame is the consequence of ignorance and audacity. Therefore, if you want to be honored, strive to be a person of true merit, because if you approach the governance of the Republic with a more insightful mind than usual, I won’t be surprised if you succeed in all your plans.”

CHAPTER VII. SOCRATES PERSUADETH CHARMIDAS, A PERSON OF MERIT AND GREAT CAPACITY, BUT VERY MODEST AND DIFFIDENT OF HIMSELF, TO UNDERTAKE THE GOVERNMENT OF THE REPUBLIC.

As Socrates, who was ever watchful for the interests of his country, and consulted the good of every one with whom he conversed, took care, on the one hand, to dissuade persons who had no capacity for it, however bent they were upon the thing, from entering upon any offices of trust, so he was ever mindful, on the other, to persuade those that were bashful and diffident to take upon themselves the government of the Republic, provided he knew they had proper talents and abilities for it. In confirmation whereof we shall here relate a conversation of his with Charmidas, the son of Glaucon. Socrates, who knew him to be a man of sense and merit, and more capable to govern the Republic than any that were then in that post, but withal a person very diffident of himself—one that dreaded the people, and was mightily averse from engaging himself in public business—addressed himself to him in this manner:—

As Socrates, who always kept an eye on the best interests of his country and considered the welfare of everyone he talked to, made sure to discourage those who weren’t capable, no matter how eager they were, from taking on any positions of trust. At the same time, he was always keen to encourage those who were shy and uncertain to take on the responsibilities of the Republic, as long as he believed they had the right skills and abilities for it. To illustrate this, we will recount a conversation he had with Charmidas, the son of Glaucon. Socrates, who recognized him as a sensible and capable man, better suited to govern the Republic than anyone currently in that role, but also very insecure—someone who feared the public and was strongly opposed to getting involved in politics—approached him in this way:—

“Tell me, Charmidas, if you knew any man who could gain the prizes in the public games, and by that means render himself illustrious, and acquire glory to his country, what would you say of him if he refused to offer himself to the combat?” “I would say,” answered Charmidas, “that he was a mean-spirited, effeminate fellow.” “And if a man were capable of governing a Republic, of increasing its power by his advices, and of raising himself by this means to a high degree of honour, would you not brand him likewise with meanness of soul if he would not present himself to be employed?” “Perhaps I might,” said Charmidas; “but why do you ask me this question?” “Because you are capable,” replied Socrates, “of managing the affairs of the Republic, and yet you avoid doing so, though in the quality of a citizen you are obliged to take care of the commonwealth.” “And wherein have you observed this capacity in me?” “When I have seen you in conversation with the Ministers of State,” answered Socrates; “for if they impart any affairs to you, I see you give them good advice, and when they commit any errors you make them judicious remonstrances.” “But there is a very great difference, my dear Socrates,” replied Charmidas, “between discoursing in private and contending in a public manner before the people.” “And yet,” replied Socrates, “a skilful arithmetician can calculate as well in presence of several persons as when alone; and they who can play well upon the lute in their closets play likewise well in company.” “But you know,” said Charmidas, “that fear and shame, which are so natural to man, affect us more in public assemblies than in private companies.” “Is it possible,” said Socrates, “that you can converse so unconcernedly with men of parts and authority, and that you should not have assurance enough to speak to fools? Are you afraid to present yourself before dyers, shoemakers, masons, smiths, labourers, and brokers? for of such are composed the popular assemblies. This is the same thing as to be the most expert in a fencing-school, and to fear the thrust of an unskilful person who never handled a foil. Thus you, though you speak boldly in the presence of the chief men of the Republic, among whom there might perhaps be found some who would despise you, dare not, nevertheless, speak in the presence of an illiterate multitude, who know nothing of the affairs of state, and who are not capable of despising you, and you fear to be laughed at by them.” “Do they not usually,” said Charmidas, “laugh at those who speak best?” “So likewise,” said Socrates, “do the men of quality with whom you converse every day; and I am surprised that you have eloquence and persuasive sense sufficient to bring these to reason, and that you think not yourself capable even to approach the others. Learn to know yourself better, Charmidas, and take care not to fall into a fault that is almost general; for all men inquire curiously enough into the affairs of others, but they never enter into their own bosoms to examine themselves as they ought.

“Tell me, Charmidas, if there was a man who could win prizes in public games and make himself famous while bringing glory to his country, what would you think of him if he refused to compete?” “I would say,” Charmidas replied, “that he was a cowardly, soft man.” “And if a man could govern a Republic, strengthen it through his advice, and gain a high level of honor from it, would you not also label him as lacking spirit if he didn’t put himself forward?” “Maybe I would,” said Charmidas; “but why do you ask me this?” “Because you have the ability,” Socrates replied, “to manage the affairs of the Republic, yet you avoid doing so, even though as a citizen you should care for the common good.” “And how have you noticed this ability in me?” “When I’ve seen you talk with the Ministers of State,” Socrates answered; “for when they discuss matters with you, I see you give good advice, and when they make mistakes, you offer wise corrections.” “But there’s a huge difference, my dear Socrates,” Charmidas replied, “between chatting privately and debating publicly in front of people.” “Yet,” Socrates said, “a skilled mathematician can calculate just as well in front of many as when alone, and those who can play the lute well in their rooms can also play well in a group.” “But you know,” Charmidas said, “that fear and shame, which are natural to people, affect us more in public gatherings than in private conversations.” “Is it possible,” Socrates asked, “that you can converse comfortably with men of talent and authority, yet lack the confidence to speak to fools? Are you afraid to stand before dyers, shoemakers, masons, smiths, laborers, and brokers? For these are the folks in popular assemblies. This is like being the best fighter in a fencing school and fearing the attack of someone who can’t even use a sword. So, even though you speak boldly among the leading figures of the Republic, some of whom might look down on you, you still hesitate to speak in front of an uneducated crowd who know nothing about state affairs and cannot despise you, and you fear being laughed at by them.” “Don’t they usually,” Charmidas said, “laugh at those who speak the best?” “Likewise,” Socrates answered, “do the people of quality with whom you talk every day; I’m amazed that you have the ability and persuasive skill to reason with them, yet you believe you cannot even approach the others. Learn to understand yourself better, Charmidas, and be careful not to fall into a common pitfall; for while everyone is curious about others’ affairs, they rarely take the time to look within and examine themselves as they should.”

“Be no longer, then, thus negligent in this matter, consider yourself with more attention, and let not slip the occasions of serving the Republic, and of rendering it, if possible, more flourishing than it is. This will be a blessing, whose influence will descend not only on the other citizens, but on your best friends and yourself.”

“Don’t be negligent about this any longer; pay more attention to yourself, and don’t miss the opportunities to serve the Republic and make it even more prosperous if you can. This will be a blessing that benefits not just the other citizens, but also your closest friends and you.”

CHAPTER VIII. SOCRATES’ DISPUTE WITH ARISTIPPUS CONCERNING THE GOOD AND BEAUTIFUL.

One day Aristippus proposed a captious question to Socrates, meaning to surprise him; and this by way of revenge, for his having before put him to a stand: but Socrates answered him warily, and as a person who has no other design in his conversations than the improvement of his hearers.

One day, Aristippus threw a tricky question at Socrates, hoping to catch him off guard; this was his way of getting back at Socrates for previously putting him on the spot. But Socrates responded thoughtfully, as someone who has no other goal in his conversations than to help his listeners grow.

The question which Aristippus asked him was whether he knew in the world any good thing, and if Socrates had answered him that meat, or drink, or riches, or health, or strength, or courage are good things, he would forthwith have shown him that it may happen that they are very bad. He therefore gave him such an answer as he ought; and because he knew very well that when we feel any indisposition we earnestly desire to find a remedy for it, he said to him: “Do you ask me, for example, whether I know anything that is good for a fever?” “No,” said Aristippus. “Or for sore eyes?” said Socrates. “Neither.” “Do you mean anything that is good against hunger?” “Not in the least,” answered Aristippus. “I promise you,” said Socrates, “that if you ask me for a good thing that is good for nothing, I know no such thing, nor have anything to do with it.”

The question that Aristippus asked him was whether he knew of any good thing in the world, and if Socrates had replied that food, drink, wealth, health, strength, or courage are good things, he would have immediately shown him that these could actually be very bad. So, he gave him the answer he should have; and since he knew that when we feel unwell we really want to find a way to fix it, he said to him: “Are you asking me, for instance, if I know anything that's good for a fever?” “No,” said Aristippus. “Or for sore eyes?” Socrates asked. “Not at all,” came Aristippus's reply. “Do you mean anything that is good against hunger?” “Not even a little,” Aristippus answered. “I promise you,” said Socrates, “that if you ask me for a good thing that isn't good for anything, I don’t know of such a thing at all, nor do I have anything to do with it.”

Aristippus pressed him yet further, and asked him whether he knew any beautiful thing. “I know a great many,” said Socrates. “Are they all like one another?” continued Aristippus. “Not in the least,” answered Socrates, “for they are very different from one another.” “And how is it possible that two beautiful things should be contrary one to the other?” “This,” said Socrates, “is seen every day in men: a beautiful make and disposition of body for running is very different from a beautiful make and disposition for wrestling: the excellence and beauty of a buckler is to cover well him that wears it. On the contrary, the excellence and beauty of a dart is to be light and piercing.” “You answer me,” said Aristippus, “as you answered me before, when I asked you whether you knew any good thing.” “And do you think,” replied Socrates, “that the good and the beautiful are different? Know you not that the things that are beautiful are good likewise in the same sense? It would be false to say of virtue that in certain occasions it is beautiful, and in others good. When we speak of men of honour we join the two qualities, and call them excellent and good. In our bodies beauty and goodness relate always to the same end. In a word, all things that are of any use in the world are esteemed beautiful and good, with regard to the subject for which they are proper.” “At this rate you might find beauty in a basket to carry dung,” said Aristippus. “Yes, if it be well made for that use,” answered Socrates; “and, on the contrary, I would say that a buckler of gold was ugly if it was ill-made.” “Would you say,” pursued Aristippus, “that the same thing may be beautiful and ugly at once?” “I would say that it might be good and bad. Often what is good for hunger is bad for a fever; and what is good for a fever is very bad for hunger; often what is beautiful to be done in running is ugly to be done in wrestling; and what is beautiful to do in wrestling is ugly in running. For all things are reputed beautiful and good when they are compared with those which they suit or become, as they are esteemed ugly and bad when compared with those they do not become.”

Aristippus pressed him further and asked if he knew of any beautiful things. “I know many,” said Socrates. “Are they all similar?” continued Aristippus. “Not at all,” answered Socrates, “because they are very different from each other.” “How is it possible for two beautiful things to contradict each other?” “You see this every day in people,” said Socrates, “a beautiful body built for running looks very different from a beautiful body built for wrestling: the quality and beauty of a shield is to protect well the person using it. On the other hand, the quality and beauty of a spear is to be light and sharp.” “You respond to me,” said Aristippus, “just as you did before when I asked if you knew of any good things.” “And do you think,” replied Socrates, “that good and beautiful are different? Don’t you know that beautiful things are also good in the same way? It would be incorrect to say that virtue is beautiful at certain times and good at others. When we talk about honorable people, we combine the two traits and call them excellent and good. In our bodies, beauty and goodness always relate to the same purpose. In short, everything useful in the world is considered beautiful and good concerning the purpose for which it’s intended.” “By that logic, you could find beauty in a basket for carrying manure,” said Aristippus. “Yes, if it’s well made for that purpose,” answered Socrates; “and conversely, I would say that a gold shield is ugly if it’s poorly made.” “Would you say,” Aristippus continued, “that the same thing can be both beautiful and ugly at the same time?” “I would say it can be both good and bad. What’s good for hunger can be bad for a fever; and what’s good for a fever can be very bad for hunger; often what looks beautiful in running can look ugly in wrestling; and what’s beautiful in wrestling can look ugly in running. Because everything is considered beautiful and good when compared to what it suits or enhances, and it’s seen as ugly and bad when compared to what it doesn’t enhance.”

Thus we see that when Socrates said that beautiful houses were the most convenient, he taught plainly enough in what manner we ought to build them, and he reasoned thus: “Ought not he who builds a house to study chiefly how to make it most pleasant and most convenient?” This proposition being granted, he pursued: “Is it not a pleasure to have a house that is cool in summer and warm in winter? And does not this happen in buildings that front towards the south? For the beams of the sun enter into the apartments in winter, and only pass over the covering in summer. For this reason the houses that front towards the south ought to be very high, that they may receive the sun in winter; and, on the contrary, those that front towards the north ought to be very low, that they may be less exposed to the cold winds of that quarter.” In short, he used to say, that he had a very beautiful and very agreeable house, who could live there with ease during all the seasons of the year, and keep there in safety all that he has; but that for painting and other ornaments, there was more trouble in them than pleasure.

So, when Socrates said that beautiful houses were the most convenient, he clearly explained how we should build them. He argued, “Shouldn’t someone who builds a house focus primarily on making it pleasant and convenient?” If we accept this idea, he continued, “Isn’t it nice to have a house that’s cool in the summer and warm in the winter? Doesn’t this happen with buildings that face south? The sun shines into the rooms during the winter and only grazes the roof in the summer. For this reason, houses facing south should be built high to catch the sun in winter, while those facing north should be built lower to avoid the cold winds from that direction.” In short, he argued that the person who can comfortably live in their home all year round and safely store everything they own has a truly beautiful and agreeable house, but for painting and other decorations, there’s usually more hassle than enjoyment.

He said further that retired places, and such as could be seen from afar, were very proper to erect altars and build temples in; for though we are at a distance from them, yet it is a satisfaction to pray in sight of the holy places, and as they are apart from the haunts of men, innocent souls find more devotion in approaching them.

He also mentioned that remote locations, especially those visible from a distance, are ideal for setting up altars and building temples. Even if we are far away from them, it's comforting to pray in view of these sacred places, and since they are away from the bustle of everyday life, pure-hearted individuals feel a deeper devotion when visiting them.

CHAPTER IX. SOCRATES RETURNS SUITABLE ANSWERS TO A VARIETY OF QUESTIONS PROPOSED TO HIM.

Another time being asked whether courage can be learnt as an art or was a gift of Nature, he answered: “In my opinion, as we see many bodies that are naturally more vigorous than others, and that better endure fatigue, so there are some souls that are naturally more brave, and look dangers in the face with greater resolution. For I see some men, who live under the same laws, who are brought up in the same customs, and who are not all equally valiant. Nevertheless, I believe that education and exercise add much to natural courage. Whence comes it to pass that the Scythians and the Thracians durst not face the Lacedemonians with pikes and targets; and, on the contrary, that the Lacedemonians would not fight against the Thracians with shields and darts, nor against the Scythians with bows? I see it to be the same in all other things, and that when some men are better inclined by nature for certain things than other men are, they very much advance and perfect themselves in those things by study and diligence. This shows that they who are most favoured by Nature, as well as those to whom she has been less indulgent, ought to apply themselves assiduously to the things by which they would gain themselves a reputation.”

Another time, when asked if courage could be learned like an art or if it was a gift from Nature, he responded: “In my view, just as some bodies are naturally stronger than others and can handle fatigue better, there are also some souls that are naturally braver and face danger with more determination. I see some men who live by the same rules and are raised in the same customs, yet they are not all equally courageous. However, I believe that education and practice greatly enhance natural courage. Why is it that the Scythians and the Thracians wouldn’t confront the Lacedemonians with spears and shields, while, on the other hand, the Lacedemonians wouldn’t fight the Thracians with shields and javelins or the Scythians with bows? I see this in all areas of life; when some individuals are naturally better suited for certain tasks than others, they can significantly improve and excel in those areas through study and hard work. This indicates that those who are most favored by Nature, as well as those who receive less from her, should diligently apply themselves to the pursuits through which they wish to gain a reputation.”

He allowed no difference between knowledge and temperance; and he held that he who knows what is good and embraces it, who knows what is bad and avoids it, is learned and temperate; and when he was asked whether he believed that they who know very well what ought to be done, but do quite otherwise, were learned and temperate? “On the contrary,” answered he, “they are very ignorant and very stupid, for, in my opinion, every man who, in the great number of possible things that offer themselves to him, can discern what is most advantageous for him to do, never fails to do it; but all who govern not themselves well and as they ought, are neither learned nor men of good morals.”

He saw no separation between knowledge and self-control; he believed that someone who knows what’s good and chooses it, who understands what’s bad and avoids it, is both knowledgeable and self-disciplined. When asked if he thought those who clearly know what should be done but act otherwise were knowledgeable and self-disciplined, he replied, “On the contrary, they are very ignorant and quite foolish. In my view, anyone who can recognize what’s best for them to do among all the options available never fails to do it; but those who don’t manage themselves well and as they should are neither knowledgeable nor virtuous.”

He said likewise that justice and every other virtue is only a science, because all the actions of justice and of the other virtues are good and honourable; and that all who know the beauty of these actions think nothing more charming; as, on the contrary, they who are ignorant of them cannot perform any one virtuous action, or, if they attempt to do it, are sure to perform it in a wrong manner. So that the persons only who possess this science can do just and good actions; but all just and good actions are done by the means of virtue, therefore justice and virtue is only a science.

He also said that justice and all other virtues are just a type of knowledge because all actions associated with justice and the other virtues are good and respectable. Everyone who understands the beauty of these actions finds nothing more appealing; on the other hand, those who don't grasp them can't perform even a single virtuous act, or if they try, they’re likely to do it incorrectly. So, only those who have this knowledge can perform just and good actions; since all just and good actions are carried out through virtue, that means justice and virtue are just a kind of knowledge.

He said, moreover, that folly is contrary to knowledge, and yet he did not allow ignorance to be a folly; but that not to know oneself, or to imagine one knows what he does not know, is a weakness next to folly. And he observed that among the vulgar a man is not accused of folly for being mistaken in things that are unknown to most of the world, but for mistaking in things which no man mistakes that knows anything at all; as if any man should think himself so tall as to be obliged to stoop when he came in at the gates of the city; or if he thought himself so strong as to undertake to carry away whole houses on his back, or to do any other thing visibly impossible, the people would say that he had lost his wits, which they do not say of those who commit only some slight extravagances; and as they give the name of love to a violent affection only, so they give the name of folly only to an extraordinary disorder of the mind.

He said that foolishness is the opposite of knowledge, but he didn't consider ignorance to be foolishness. However, not knowing yourself, or thinking you know something you actually don't, is a weakness close to foolishness. He pointed out that, among ordinary people, a man isn’t called foolish for being wrong about things most people don’t understand, but for being wrong about things that anyone with any knowledge would get right. It’s like if someone thought they were so tall that they had to bend down to get through the city gates, or if they thought they were so strong that they could carry whole houses on their back or do something obviously impossible; people would say he’s lost his mind. They don't usually say that about someone who just has minor quirks. Just as they reserve the term "love" for intense feelings, they use "foolishness" only for a significant disorder of the mind.

Reflecting on the nature of envy, he said that it is a certain grief of mind, which proceeds, not from the misfortune of friends or good fortune of enemies, but (which is very surprising) only from the prosperity of friends. “For,” said he, “those may be truly said to be envious who cannot endure to see their friends happy.” But, some wondering whether it were possible for a man to be grieved at the good fortune of his friend, he justified the truth of what he had advanced, by telling them plainly that there are some men so variously affected towards their friends, that, while they are in calamity and distress, they will compassionate and succour them, but when they are well and in prosperity will fret at and envy them. “But this,” he said, “is a fault from which wise and good men are free, and never to be found but in weak and wicked minds.”

Reflecting on the nature of envy, he mentioned that it is a certain mental distress that arises not from the misfortunes of friends or the successes of enemies, but (surprisingly) only from the success of friends. “For,” he said, “those can truly be called envious who can’t stand to see their friends happy.” When some questioned whether it was really possible for someone to feel upset about their friend's good fortune, he confirmed his point by stating that there are people who are differently affected by their friends—while they may feel compassion and offer help during tough times, they will resent and envy them when they are thriving. “But this,” he added, “is a flaw that wise and good people are free from, and can only be found in weak and wicked minds.”

As to idleness, he said that he had observed that most men were always in action, for they who play at dice, or who serve to make others laugh, are doing something, but in effect they are idle, because they might employ themselves more usefully. To which he added, that no man finds leisure to quit a good employment for an ill one, and that if he did he would deserve the greater blame, in that he wanted not something to do before.

As for idleness, he mentioned that he had noticed most people are always busy, since those who play dice or entertain others are doing something, but in reality, they are idle because they could be using their time more productively. He also added that no one finds the time to leave a good job for a bad one, and if they did, they would deserve even more criticism for not having something better to do in the first place.

He said likewise that the sceptre makes not the king, and that princes and governors are not they whom chance or the choice of the people has raised to those dignities, nor those who have established themselves in them by fraud or force, but they who know how to command; for if it were allowed that it is the duty of a prince to command, as it is the duty of a subject to obey, he showed in consequence of it that in a ship, where there are several persons, the honour of commanding it is given to him who is most capable of it, and that all obey him, without excepting even the owner of the vessel; that likewise in husbandry, he to whom the land belongs obeys his own servants, if they understand agriculture better than himself; that thus the sick obey the physicians, and they who learn exercises, their masters; nay, that even women are masters of the men in working with the needle, because they understand it better than they; in short, that in all things which require care and industry men govern themselves when they think they are capable of doing so; otherwise, they leave themselves to the conduct of such as they judge to have more capacity, and take care to have them near at hand for that purpose. And if any man made him this objection, that a tyrant is at liberty not to believe the best advices, he answered, “Why do you say he is at liberty not to do so, seeing he will bear the smart of it? for every man who shuts his ears to good counsel commits a fault, and this fault is always attended with some damage.” And if it were said that a tyrant is permitted to put to death the men of the best parts and understanding in his State, he replied again, “Do you think he is not punished in losing his chief supports, or that he will be quit for a slight punishment? Is to govern in this manner the way to preserve himself? or rather, is it not the certain means to hasten his own ruin?”

He also said that a crown doesn’t make a king, and that princes and governors aren’t just those who have been elevated to those positions by chance or the people's choice, nor those who have secured their positions through deception or force, but rather those who know how to lead. He pointed out that if it’s the duty of a prince to lead, just as it’s the duty of a subject to obey, then in a ship, the honor of commanding goes to the person most capable, and everyone follows him, even the owner of the vessel. Similarly, in farming, the landowner will obey their workers if they know more about farming than he does; likewise, the sick follow the advice of doctors, and students listen to their teachers when learning. In fact, even women often lead men when it comes to sewing, because they are more skilled at it. In short, in all areas that require effort and care, people tend to take charge when they believe they can, but otherwise, they look to those they think are more capable and keep them close for guidance. If anyone argued that a tyrant can ignore good advice, he replied, “Why do you say he can do that when it will only bring him trouble? Every person who ignores good advice makes a mistake, and that mistake always leads to some harm.” And if it was suggested that a tyrant is allowed to kill the most capable and intelligent people in his state, he responded, “Do you really think he doesn't face consequences in losing his key supporters, or that he can get away with just a minor punishment? Is ruling this way truly beneficial for his survival? Or isn’t it a guaranteed path to his own downfall?”

Being asked what was the best study for man to apply himself to, he answered, “To do well;” and being asked farther whether good fortune was the effect of study, “On the contrary,” said he, “I think good fortune and study to be two opposite things; for what I call good fortune is, when a man meets with what is necessary for him, without the trouble of seeking it; but when he meets with any good success after a tedious search and labour, it is an effect of study. This is what I call to do well; and I think that all who take delight in this study are for the most part successful, and gain the esteem of men, and the affection of the Deity. Such are they as have rendered themselves excellent in economy, in physic, and in politics; but he who knows not any one thing perfectly is neither useful to men, nor beloved by the gods.”

When asked what the best thing for a person to focus on is, he replied, “To do well.” When pressed further on whether good luck comes from study, he said, “On the contrary, I believe good luck and study are two completely different things. What I consider good luck is when someone finds what they need without having to look for it. But when someone achieves something good after putting in a lot of effort and hard work, that’s a result of study. This is what I mean by doing well; and I believe that everyone who enjoys this kind of study is usually successful and earns the respect of others, as well as the favor of the divine. These are the people who excel in areas like management, medicine, and politics; but someone who doesn't master even one thing is neither useful to others nor favored by the gods.”

CHAPTER X. SOCRATES, IN CONVERSATION WITH SEVERAL ARTIFICERS, A PAINTER, A STATUARY, AND AN ARMOURER, SHOWETH HIS SKILL AND GOOD TASTE IN THE FINER ARTS.

As Socrates studied to be useful in all his conversations, so he never happened to be in company even with tradesmen but he always said something that might be of service to them. Going once into the shop of the painter Parrhasius, he entertained himself with him in the following manner:—

As Socrates aimed to be helpful in every conversation, he never interacted with anyone, even tradesmen, without sharing something that could benefit them. One time, when he visited the shop of the painter Parrhasius, he engaged him in the following way:—

“Is not painting,” said he, “a representation of all we see? For with a few colours you represent on a canvas mountains and caverns, light and obscurity; you cause to be observed the difference between soft things and hard, between things smooth and rough; you give youth and old age to bodies; and when you would represent a perfect beauty, it being impossible to find a body but what has some defect, your way is to regard several, and taking what is beautiful from each of them, you make one that is accomplished in all its parts.” “We do so,” said Parrhasius. “Can you represent likewise,” said Socrates, “what is most charming and most lovely in the person, I mean the inclination?” “How think you,” answered Parrhasius, “we can paint what cannot be expressed by any proportion, nor with any colour, and that has nothing in common with any of those things you mentioned, and which the pencil can imitate; in a word, a thing that cannot be seen?” “Do not the very looks of men,” replied Socrates, “confess either hatred or friendship?” “In my opinion they do,” said Parrhasius. “You can then make hatred and friendship appear in the eyes?” “I own we can.” “Do you think likewise,” continued Socrates, “that they who concern themselves either in the adversity or prosperity of friends, keep the same look with those who are wholly unconcerned for either?” “By no means,” said he, “for during the prosperity of our friends, our looks are gay and full of joy, but in their adversity we look cloudy and dejected.” “This, then, may be painted likewise?” “It may.” “Besides,” said Socrates, “magnificence, generosity, meanness of mind, cowardice, modesty, prudence, insolence, rusticity, all appear in the looks of a man, whether sitting or standing.” “You say true.” “And cannot the pencil imitate all this likewise?” “It may.” “And in which do you take most pleasure,” said Socrates, “in regarding the picture of a man whose external appearance discovereth a good natural disposition, and bespeaks an honest man, or of one who wears in his face the marks of a vicious inclination?” “There is no comparison between them,” said Parrhasius.

“Isn’t painting,” he said, “a way to show everything we see? Because with just a few colors, you can depict mountains and caves, light and darkness; you make us notice the difference between soft and hard, between smooth and rough; you show youth and old age in bodies; and when you want to represent perfect beauty, since it’s impossible to find a body without some flaw, you look at several and take what’s beautiful from each, creating one that’s perfect in all its parts.” “That’s right,” said Parrhasius. “Can you also represent,” Socrates asked, “what is most charming and lovely about a person, like their character?” “How do you think,” replied Parrhasius, “we can paint what can’t be shown through any proportion or color, and that has nothing in common with the things you mentioned which the brush can imitate; in short, something that can’t be seen?” “Don’t a person’s expressions,” Socrates replied, “reveal either hatred or friendship?” “I believe they do,” said Parrhasius. “So you can portray hatred and friendship in the eyes?” “I admit we can.” “Do you think the people who care about their friends’ ups and downs have the same expression as those who don’t care at all?” “Not at all,” he said, “because when our friends are doing well, our faces are bright and joyful, but when they’re struggling, we appear gloomy and downcast.” “Then this can also be painted?” “It can.” “Also,” Socrates added, “traits like generosity, meanness, cowardice, modesty, wisdom, arrogance, and rusticity all show in a person’s expression, whether they’re sitting or standing.” “That’s true.” “And can’t the brush capture all of this too?” “It can.” “Which do you enjoy more,” Socrates asked, “looking at the picture of a person whose appearance shows a good nature and suggests they are honest, or one who shows signs of a bad character?” “There’s no comparison between the two,” said Parrhasius.

Another time, talking with Clito the sculptor, he said to him, “I wonder not that you make so great a difference between the statue of a man who is running a race and that of one who stands his ground to wait for his antagonist with whom he is to wrestle, or to box, or to play a prize at all sorts of defence; but what ravishes the beholders is, that your statues seem to be alive. I would fain know by what art you imprint upon them this wonderful vivacity?” Clito, surprised at this question, stood considering what to answer, when Socrates went on:—“Perhaps you take great care to make them resemble the living persons, and this is the reason that they seem to live likewise.” “It is so,” said Clito. “You must then,” replied Socrates, “observe very exactly in the different postures of the body what are the natural dispositions of all the parts, for when some of them stoop down, the others raise themselves up; when some are contracted, the others stretch themselves out; when some are stiff with straining, others relax themselves; and when you imitate all this, you make your statues approach very near the life.” “You say true,” said Clito. “Is it not true likewise,” replied Socrates, “that it is a great satisfaction to beholders to see all the passions of a man who is in action well expressed? Thus, in the statue of a gladiator who is fighting, you must imitate the sternness of look with which he threatens his enemy; on the contrary, you must give him, when victor, a look of gaiety and content.” “There is no doubt of what you say.” “We may then conclude,” said Socrates, “that it is the part of an excellent statuary to express the various affections and passions of the soul, by representing such-and-such motions and postures of the body as are commonly exerted in real life whenever the mind is so-and-so affected.”

Another time, while talking with Clito the sculptor, he said to him, “I’m not surprised you see such a big difference between the statue of a man who is running a race and that of one who stands ready to face his opponent in a wrestling match, a boxing match, or any kind of competition; but what really captivates the viewers is that your statues look so alive. I’d love to know how you create this incredible liveliness?” Clito, taken aback by this question, paused to think of a response, when Socrates continued: “Maybe you pay great attention to making them resemble the actual people, and that’s why they seem to live as well.” “That’s true,” said Clito. “Then,” replied Socrates, “you must closely observe the different postures of the body to understand the natural movements of all the parts, because when some of them bend down, others lift up; when some are contracted, others stretch out; when some are tense, others relax; and when you capture all of this, you make your statues come really close to life.” “You’re right,” said Clito. “Is it not also true,” Socrates replied, “that it’s very satisfying for viewers to see all the emotions of a person in action accurately expressed? So, in the statue of a gladiator who is fighting, you need to capture the fierce look he has when threatening his enemy; on the other hand, when he’s victorious, you should give him an expression of joy and satisfaction.” “There’s no doubt about that,” Clito agreed. “Then we can conclude,” said Socrates, “that a great sculptor’s job is to express the various feelings and passions of the soul by representing certain movements and postures of the body that are commonly shown in real life whenever the mind is affected in certain ways.”

Another time, Socrates being in the shop of Pistias the armourer, who showed him some corselets that were very well made: “I admire,” said Socrates to him, “the invention of these arms that cover the body in the places where it has most need of being defended, and nevertheless are no hindrance to the motions of the hands and arms; but tell me why you sell the suits of armour you make dearer than the other workmen of the city, since they are not stronger nor of better-tempered or more valuable metal?” “I sell them dearer than others,” answered Pistias, “because they are better made than theirs.” “In what does this make consist?” said Socrates, “in the weight, or in the largeness of the arms? And yet you make them not all of the same weight nor of the same size, but to fit every man.” “They must be fit,” said Pistias, “otherwise they would be of no use.” “But do you not know,” replied Socrates, “that some bodies are well-shaped and others not?” “I know it well.” “How, then,” continued Socrates, “can you make a well-shaped suit of armour for an ill-shaped body?” “It will be sufficient if they are fit for him,” answered Pistias; “for what is fit is well made.” “You are of opinion, then,” added Socrates, “that one cannot judge whether a thing be well made, considering it merely in itself, but in regard to the person who is to use it; as if you said that a buckler is well made for him whom it fits, and in like manner of a suit of clothes and any other thing whatsoever. But I think there is another convenience in having a suit of armour well made.” “What do you take that to be?” said Pistias. “I think,” answered Socrates, “a suit of armour that is well made does not load the bearer so much as one ill made, even though it weigh as much. For ill-made arms, by pressing too much upon the shoulders, or hanging cumbrous on some other part, become almost insupportable, and greatly incommode the person that weareth them. But those arms which, as they ought, distribute an equal weight to all the parts of the body, that join upon the neck, the shoulders, the breast, the back, and the hips, may be said to be glued to the body, and to weigh nothing at all.” “For this,” said Pistias, “I value the arms I make. It is true that some choose rather to part with their money for arms that are gilt and finely carved, but if with all this they fit not easy upon them, I think they buy a rich inconveniency.” Socrates went on:—“But since the body is not always in the same posture, but sometimes bends, and sometimes raises itself straight, how can arms that are very fit be convenient and easy?” “They never can,” said Pistias. “Your opinion therefore is,” said Socrates, “that the best arms are not those that are most fit, and fit closest to the body, but those that do not incommode the person that wears them.” “You, too, are of the same opinion,” replied Pistias, “and you understand the matter aright.”

Another time, Socrates was in the shop of Pistias the armorer, who showed him some really well-made breastplates. “I admire,” Socrates said to him, “the design of these pieces that protect the body where it needs it most, and yet don’t restrict the movement of the hands and arms. But tell me why you charge more for the suits of armor you make than other workers in the city, since they aren’t stronger or made from better-quality or more valuable metal?” “I charge more than others,” Pistias replied, “because they are better made than theirs.” “What makes them better?” Socrates asked. “Is it the weight, or the size of the armor? And yet you don’t make them all the same weight or size; you tailor them to fit each person.” “They must fit,” Pistias said, “otherwise they wouldn’t be useful.” “But don’t you know,” Socrates replied, “that some bodies are well-shaped and others are not?” “I know that well.” “So then,” Socrates continued, “how can you make a well-fitting suit of armor for an ill-shaped body?” “It’s enough if they fit him,” Pistias answered, “because what fits is well made.” “So you believe,” Socrates added, “that you can’t judge if something is well-made just by looking at it on its own, but rather based on the person who will use it; like saying a shield is well-made for someone it fits, and the same for clothes and anything else. But I think there’s another benefit to having a well-made suit of armor.” “What do you mean by that?” Pistias asked. “I think,” Socrates answered, “that a well-made suit of armor doesn’t weigh down the wearer as much as a poorly made one, even if they weigh the same. Poorly made armor, by pressing too hard on the shoulders or being cumbersome in other areas, becomes almost impossible to wear and really inconvenient for the person using it. But armor that evenly distributes weight across all parts of the body—connecting at the neck, shoulders, chest, back, and hips—can feel like it’s glued to the body and weighs practically nothing.” “For this reason,” Pistias said, “I value the armor I create. It’s true that some prefer to spend their money on gilded and intricately carved armor, but if it doesn’t fit comfortably, I think they’re buying an expensive nuisance.” Socrates continued: “But since the body isn’t always in the same position—it sometimes bends and sometimes stands tall—how can armor that fits well be convenient and comfortable?” “They can’t be,” Pistias said. “So your view is,” Socrates said, “that the best armor isn’t necessarily the one that fits most closely, but rather the one that doesn’t inconvenience the person wearing it.” “You share the same view,” Pistias replied, “and you understand the issue clearly.”

CHAPTER XI. DISCOURSE OF SOCRATES WITH THEODOTA, AN ATHENIAN LADY, OF NO GOOD CHARACTER; WHEREIN HE ENDEAVOURETH, IN THE MOST ARTFUL AND ENGAGING MANNER, TO WIN HER OVER FROM THE CRIMINAL PLEASURES TO WHICH SHE WAS ADDICTED UNTO THE SUBLIMER AND MORE INNOCENT DELIGHTS OF PHILOSOPHY AND VIRTUE.

There was at Athens a very beautiful lady called Theodota, who had the character of a loose dame. Some person was speaking of her in presence of Socrates, and saying that she was the most beautiful woman in the whole world; that all the painters went to see her, to draw her picture, and that they were very well received at her house. “I think,” said Socrates, “we ought to go see her too, for we shall be better able to judge of her beauty after we have seen her ourselves than upon the bare relation of others.” The person who began the discourse encouraged the matter, and that very moment they all went to Theodota’s house. They found her with a painter who was drawing her picture; and having considered her at leisure when the painter had done, Socrates began thus:—“Do you think that we are more obliged to Theodota for having afforded us the sight of her beauty than she is to us for coming to see her? If all the advantage be on her side, it must be owned that she is obliged to us; if it be on ours, it must be confessed that we are so to her.” Some of the company saying there was reason to think so, Socrates continued in these words:—“Has she not already had the advantage of receiving the praises we have given her? But it will be yet a much greater to her when we make known her merit in all the companies we come into; but as for ourselves, what do we carry from hence except a desire to enjoy the things we have seen? We go hence with souls full of love and uneasiness; and from this time forward we must obey Theodota in all she pleases to enjoin us.” “If it be so,” said Theodota, “I must return you many thanks for your coming hither.” Meanwhile Socrates took notice that she was magnificently apparelled, and that her mother appeared likewise like a woman of condition. He saw a great number of women attendants elegantly dressed, and that the whole house was richly furnished. He took occasion from hence to inform himself of her circumstances in the world, and to ask her whether she had an estate in land or houses in the city, or slaves, whose labour supplied the expenses of her family. “I have nothing,” answered she, “of all this; my friends are my revenue. I subsist by their liberality.”

There was a very beautiful woman named Theodota in Athens, who had a reputation for being promiscuous. Someone was talking about her in front of Socrates, claiming she was the most stunning woman in the world; that all the painters visited her to capture her likeness, and that she hosted them very well. “I think,” Socrates said, “we should go see her too, because we’ll be better able to judge her beauty after seeing her ourselves instead of just hearing about it from others.” The person who started the conversation encouraged the idea, and in that moment, they all headed to Theodota’s house. They found her with a painter who was working on her portrait; after appreciating her looks once the painter finished, Socrates said: “Do you think we owe Theodota more for allowing us to see her beauty than she owes us for coming to see her? If the advantage is all hers, then she owes us; if it’s ours, then we owe her.” Some of the group agreed with him, and Socrates continued: “Hasn’t she already benefited from the compliments we've given her? But it would be even more advantageous to her when we share her praise in every gathering we attend; however, what do we take away from this except a longing to enjoy what we've seen? We leave here filled with love and restlessness; from now on, we’ll have to obey whatever Theodota wishes.” “If that’s the case,” replied Theodota, “I must thank you for coming here.” Meanwhile, Socrates noticed that she was dressed beautifully, and her mother also appeared to be a woman of high status. He saw numerous elegantly dressed female attendants and realized that the entire house was lavishly furnished. This led him to inquire about her background, asking if she owned any land, houses in the city, or slaves whose work covered her expenses. “I have none of that,” she replied, “my friends are my income. I survive on their generosity.”

Upon which Socrates remarked that “friendship was one of the greatest blessings in life, for that a good friend could stand one in stead of all possessions whatever.” And he advised Theodota to try all her art to procure to herself some lovers and friends that might render her happy. The lady asking Socrates whether there were any artifices to be used for that purpose, he answered, “there were,” and proceeded to mention several:—“Some for attracting the regard of the men, some for insinuating into their hearts; others for securing their affections and managing their passions.” Whereupon Theodota, whose soul then lay open to any impression, mistaking the virtuous design of Socrates in the whole of this discourse for an intention of another sort, cried out in raptures, “Ah! Socrates, why will not you help me to friends?” “I will,” replied Socrates, “if you can persuade me to do so.” “And what means must I use to persuade you?” “You must invent the means,” said Socrates, “if you want me to serve you.” “Then come to see me often,” added Theodota. Socrates laughed at the simplicity of the woman, and in raillery said to her, “I have not leisure enough to come and see you; I have both public and private affairs which take up too much of my time. Besides, I have mistresses who will not suffer me to be from them neither day nor night, and who against myself make use of the very charms and sorceries that I have taught them.” “And have you any knowledge in those things, too?” said she. “Why do Apollodorus and Antisthenes,” answered Socrates, “never leave me? why do Cebes and Simmias forsake Thebes for my company? This they would not do if I were not master of some charm.” “Lend it me,” said Theodota, “that I may employ it against you, and charm you to come to me.” “No,” said Socrates, “but I will charm you, and make you come to me.” “I will,” said Theodota, “if you will promise to make me welcome.” “I promise you I will,” answered Socrates, “provided there be nobody with me whom I love better than you.”

Upon which Socrates commented that “friendship is one of the greatest blessings in life because a good friend can replace all possessions.” He suggested that Theodota try her best to find lovers and friends who could make her happy. When she asked Socrates if there were tricks she could use to achieve this, he replied, “there are,” and went on to mention several: “Some for attracting the attention of men, some for winning their hearts; others for securing their affection and managing their passions.” Theodota, who was then very open to any influence, misunderstood Socrates' virtuous intent and exclaimed, “Ah! Socrates, why won’t you help me find friends?” “I will,” Socrates replied, “if you can convince me to do so.” “What do I need to do to convince you?” “You need to come up with the means,” Socrates said, “if you want my help.” “Then come to see me often,” Theodota added. Socrates laughed at her simplicity and jokingly said, “I don’t have enough time to come visit you; I have both public and private matters that take up too much of my time. Plus, I have lovers who won’t let me be away from them day or night, and they use the very charms and tricks I’ve taught them against me.” “And do you know about these tricks too?” she asked. “Why do Apollodorus and Antisthenes never leave my side? Why do Cebes and Simmias leave Thebes to be with me? They wouldn’t do that if I didn’t have some kind of charm,” Socrates responded. “Lend it to me,” Theodota said, “so I can use it against you and charm you into coming to me.” “No,” Socrates said, “but I’ll charm you and bring you to me.” “I will,” Theodota replied, “if you promise to make me feel welcome.” “I promise I will,” Socrates answered, “as long as there’s no one with me that I love more than you.”

CHAPTER XII. OF THE NECESSITY OF EXERCISE TO HEALTH AND STRENGTH OF BODY.

Among others who frequented Socrates, there was a young man whose name was Epigenes, and who was very awkward in his person and behaviour, and had contracted an ill habit of body, having never learnt nor used any exercise. Socrates reproached him for it, and told him that it was unworthy of any man to be so negligent of himself. Epigenes slightly answered that he was under no obligation to do better. “You are no less obliged to it,” replied Socrates, “than they who train themselves up for the Olympic Games. For do you believe that to fight for one’s life against the enemies of the Republic, which we are all obliged to do when the Athenians please to command us, is a less important occasion than to contend with antagonists for a prize? How many men are there who, for want of strength, perish in fights; or have recourse to dishonourable means to seek their safety? Some are taken prisoners, and remain in slavery all the rest of their days, or are forced to pay so great a ransom, as makes them live poor and miserable ever afterwards: others are ill thought of, and their weakness is imputed to cowardice. And do you value so little all these misfortunes, which constantly attend an ill habit of body, and do they seem to you so slight? In my opinion, there are no fatigues in the exercises but what are more easy and more agreeable. But perhaps you despise the advantages of a good disposition of body: nevertheless, they are considerable; for men in that condition enjoy a perfect health, they are robust and active, they come off from combats with honour, they escape from dangers, they succour their friends, they render great services to their country. For these reasons they are well received wherever they come, they are in good reputation with all men, they attain to the highest offices, they live the more honourably and the more at ease, and they leave their posterity the most noble examples. If, therefore, you do not practise the military exercises in public, you ought not to neglect the doing so in private, but to apply yourself to them with all possible diligence.

Among those who visited Socrates was a young man named Epigenes, who was very awkward in appearance and behavior. He had developed poor physical habits because he had never learned or practiced any form of exercise. Socrates criticized him for this and said it was unworthy for any man to neglect himself. Epigenes replied that he had no obligation to improve. "You are just as obligated," Socrates responded, "as those who train for the Olympic Games. Do you really think that fighting for your life against the enemies of the Republic, which we all must do whenever the Athenians decide, is less important than competing against opponents for a prize? How many men, lacking strength, die in battles or resort to shameful means to stay safe? Some are captured and spend the rest of their lives in slavery, while others have to pay such a high ransom that they live in poverty and misery. Others are thought poorly of, and their weakness is seen as cowardice. Do you really care so little about the misfortunes that come with a poor habit of body? Do they seem so insignificant to you? In my opinion, there are no hardships in exercise that are not more manageable and enjoyable. Perhaps you underestimate the benefits of good physical condition; however, they are significant. Healthy individuals are strong and active, they emerge from battles with honor, they avoid dangers, they help their friends, and they contribute greatly to their country. For these reasons, they are welcomed wherever they go, respected by everyone, and they achieve the highest positions. They live with more honor, greater ease, and leave behind noble examples for their descendants. Therefore, if you do not practice military exercises in public, you should not neglect to do so privately, but should dedicate yourself to them with all possible effort.

“To have the body active and healthy can be hurtful to you in no occasions: and since we cannot do anything without the body, it is certain that a good constitution will be of great advantage to us in all our undertakings. Even in study, where there seems to be least need of it, we know many persons who could never make any great progress for want of health. Forgetfulness, melancholy, loss of appetite, and folly, are the diseases that generally proceed from the indisposition of the body; and these diseases sometimes seize the mind with so great violence, that they wipe out even the least remembrance of what we knew before. But in health we have nothing like this to fear, and consequently there is no toil which a judicious man would not willingly undergo to avoid all these misfortunes. And, indeed, it is shameful for a man to grow old before he has tried his own strength, and seen to what degree of dexterity and perfection he can attain, which he can never know if he give himself over for useless; because dexterity and strength come not of themselves, but by practice and exercise.”

“To keep the body active and healthy is never a bad thing: since we can’t do anything without our bodies, having a good health will definitely benefit us in everything we do. Even when it comes to studying, where it seems like health matters least, many people struggle to make significant progress due to poor health. Forgetfulness, sadness, loss of appetite, and foolishness are all issues that usually stem from poor physical condition; sometimes these issues can hit the mind so hard that they erase even the smallest memories of what we once knew. But when we are healthy, we don’t have to worry about this, so any effort a sensible person would make to avoid such troubles is worthwhile. In fact, it’s embarrassing for someone to grow old without knowing their own strength and seeing how skilled and capable they can become, which they’ll never find out if they give in to being unproductive, because skill and strength don’t come naturally; they come from practice and exercise.”

CHAPTER XIII. SEVERAL APOPHTHEGMS OF SOCRATES.

A certain man being vexed that he had saluted one who did not return his civility, Socrates said to him, “It is ridiculous in you to be unconcerned when you meet a sick man in the way, and to be vexed for having met a rude fellow.”

A certain man was irritated because he greeted someone who didn’t respond. Socrates said to him, “It’s ridiculous for you to be unfazed when you encounter a sick person on the road, yet be upset for running into a rude person.”

2. Another was saying that he had lost his appetite and could eat nothing. Socrates, having heard it, told him he could teach him a remedy for that. The man asking what it was, “Fast,” said he, “for some time, and I will warrant you will be in better health, spend less money, and eat with more satisfaction afterwards.”

2. Another person said that he had lost his appetite and could eat nothing. Socrates, having heard this, told him he could teach him a remedy for it. When the man asked what it was, he said, “Fast for a while, and I guarantee you’ll feel better, spend less money, and enjoy your meals more afterwards.”

3. Another complained that the water which came into the cistern was warm, and nevertheless he was forced to drink it. “You ought to be glad of it,” said Socrates, “for it is a bath ready for you, whenever you have a mind to bathe yourself.” “It is too cold to bathe in,” replied the other. “Do your servants,” said Socrates, “find any inconvenience in drinking it, or in bathing in it?” “No, but I wonder how they can suffer it.” “Is it,” continued Socrates, “warmer to drink than that of the temple of Æsculapius?” “It is not near so warm.” “You see, then,” said Socrates, “that you are harder to please than your own servants, or even than the sick themselves.”

3. Another person complained that the water in the cistern was warm, yet he had to drink it. “You should be grateful for that,” Socrates said, “because it’s ready for you to use as a bath whenever you want to clean yourself.” “It’s too cold to bathe in,” the other replied. “Do your servants,” Socrates asked, “have any issues drinking it or bathing in it?” “No, but I’m surprised they can stand it.” “Is it,” Socrates continued, “warmer to drink than the water from the temple of Æsculapius?” “It’s not nearly as warm.” “So, you see,” Socrates said, “you’re harder to satisfy than your own servants or even the sick people.”

4. A master having beaten his servant most cruelly, Socrates asked him why he was so angry with him. The master answered, “Because he is a drunkard, a lazy fellow who loves money, and is always idle.” “Suppose he be so,” said Socrates: “but be your own judge, and tell me, which of you two deserves rather to be punished for those faults?”

4. A master, having severely beaten his servant, Socrates asked him why he was so angry. The master replied, “Because he's a drunk, a lazy guy who loves money, and is always doing nothing.” “Even if that's true,” Socrates said, “think for yourself and tell me, which of you two deserves to be punished for those faults?”

5. Another made a difficulty of undertaking a journey to Olympia. “What is the reason,” said Socrates to him, “that you are so much afraid of walking, you, who walk up and down about your house almost all day long? You ought to look upon this journey to be only a walk, and to think that you will walk away the morning till dinner-time, and the afternoon till supper, and thus you will insensibly find yourself at your journey’s end. For it is certain that in five or six days’ time you go more ground in walking up and down than you need to do in going from Athens to Olympia. I will tell you one thing more: it is much better to set out a day too soon than a day too late; for it is troublesome to be forced to go long journeys; and on the contrary, it is a great ease to have the advantage of a day beforehand. You were better therefore to hasten your departure than be obliged to make haste upon the road.”

5. Another person struggled with the idea of traveling to Olympia. “What’s the reason,” Socrates asked him, “that you’re so afraid of walking when you walk around your house almost all day long? You should think of this journey as just a walk, imagining you’ll walk until lunch and then again until dinner, and before you know it, you’ll have reached your destination. It’s clear that in five or six days, you’ll cover more ground walking around than you would by going from Athens to Olympia. Let me tell you one more thing: it’s much better to leave a day early than a day late; it’s exhausting to have to rush over long distances, whereas having an extra day is a great relief. So it’s better to speed up your departure than to be forced to hurry on your way.”

6. Another telling him that he had been a great journey, and was extremely weary, Socrates asked whether he had carried anything. The other answered that he had carried nothing but his cloak. “Were you alone?” said Socrates. “No; I had a slave with me.” “Was not he loaded?” continued Socrates. “Yes, for he carried all my things.” “And how did he find himself upon the road?” “Much better than I.” “And if you had been to carry what he did, what would have become of you?” “Alas!” said he, “I should never have been able to have done it.” “Is it not a shame,” added Socrates, “in a man like you, who have gone through all the exercises, not to be able to undergo as much fatigue as his slave?”

6. After someone told him that he had been on a long journey and was really tired, Socrates asked if he had carried anything. The person replied that he had only carried his cloak. “Were you alone?” Socrates asked. “No; I had a slave with me.” “Wasn’t he loaded?” Socrates continued. “Yes, he carried all my things.” “And how did he feel on the road?” “Much better than I did.” “And if you had to carry what he did, what would have happened to you?” “Alas!” he said, “I would never have been able to do it.” “Isn’t it a shame,” Socrates added, “for a man like you, who has gone through all the training, to be unable to handle as much fatigue as his slave?”

CHAPTER XIV. SOCRATES PROPOSETH SOME REGULATIONS FOR THE BETTER MANAGEMENT OF THEIR PUBLIC FEASTS.

Socrates having observed that in public suppers every one brought his own dish of meat, and that sometimes some brought more and others less, was wont, when this happened, to bid a servant set the least dish in the middle of the table, and to give some of it to all the company. No man could, in civility, refuse it, nor exempt himself from doing the like with his own dish, insomuch that every man had a taste of the whole, and all fared alike. This in some measure banished luxury and expensiveness from these feasts. For they who would have laid out a great deal of money in delicacies cared no longer to do so, because they would have been as much for others as for themselves.

Socrates noticed that at public dinners, everyone brought their own dish of meat, and sometimes some brought more while others brought less. When this happened, he would ask a servant to place the smallest dish in the center of the table and share it with everyone. No one could politely refuse it, nor could they avoid doing the same with their own dish, so everyone got a taste of everything, and everyone shared equally. This somewhat reduced luxury and extravagance at these gatherings. Those who used to spend a lot of money on fancy foods no longer wanted to, since their expensive dishes would just be shared with others as much as with themselves.

Being one day in these assemblies, and seeing a young man who ate his meat without bread, he took occasion to rally him for it upon a question that was started touching the imposing of names. “Can we give any reasons,” said he, “why a man is called flesh-eater—that is to say, a devourer of flesh?—for every man eats flesh when he has it; and I do not believe it to be upon that account that a man is called so.” “Nor I neither,” said one of the company. “But,” continued Socrates, “if a man takes delight to eat his meat without bread, do you not take him to be, indeed, a flesh-eater?” “I should think it difficult to find another who better would deserve that name.” Upon which somebody else taking the word said, “What think you of him who, with a little bread only, eats a great deal of flesh?” “I should,” replied Socrates, “judge him, too, to be a flesh-eater; and whereas others ask of the gods in their prayers to give them an abundance of fruits, such men in their petitions it is likely would pray only for abundance of flesh.”

One day at these gatherings, noticing a young man who ate his meat without any bread, he found an opportunity to tease him about it during a discussion about naming conventions. “Can we offer any reasons,” he said, “why someone is called a flesh-eater, which means a devourer of flesh? Because every man eats flesh when he gets the chance, and I don't think that's why someone is called that.” “I agree,” said another member of the group. “But,” Socrates continued, “if a man enjoys eating his meat without bread, wouldn’t you consider him a true flesh-eater?” “I would think it would be hard to find someone more deserving of that title.” Then another person spoke up, “What about someone who eats a lot of flesh with just a little bread?” “I would also consider him a flesh-eater,” replied Socrates, “and while others ask the gods in their prayers for a lot of fruits, these men would probably only pray for a lot of flesh.”

The young man whom Socrates had in mind, suspecting that he spoke upon his account, took some bread, but continued still to eat a great deal of flesh with it. Socrates perceived him, and showing him with his finger to those that sat next to him, said to them, “Take notice of your neighbour, and see whether it be the meat that makes him eat his bread, or the bread that makes him eat his meat.”

The young man Socrates was thinking about, believing that he was talking about him, took some bread but still ate a lot of meat with it. Socrates noticed him and pointed him out to the people sitting next to him, saying, “Pay attention to your neighbor and see if it's the meat that makes him eat the bread or the bread that makes him eat the meat.”

In a like occasion, seeing a man sop the same morsel of meat in several sauces, he said, “Is it possible to make a sauce that will cost more, and be not so good, as one that is made by taking out of several different sauces at once? For there being more ingredients than usual, no doubt it costs more; but then because we mix things together, which the cooks never used to mingle, because they agree not well with one another, we certainly spoil the whole; and is it not a jest to be curious in having good cooks, and at the same time to be so fantastical as to alter the relish of the dishes they have dressed? Besides, when we have once got a habit of eating thus of several dishes at once, we are not so well satisfied when we have no longer that variety. Whereas a man who contents himself to eat but of one dish at a time finds no great inconvenience in having but one dish of meat for his dinner.”

On a similar occasion, seeing a guy dipping the same piece of meat into different sauces, he said, “Is it possible to create a sauce that costs more and isn't as good as one made by mixing several different sauces at once? Since there are more ingredients than usual, it definitely costs more; but because we mix things together that cooks usually don't blend, since they don't go well together, we end up ruining the whole thing. Isn't it ridiculous to be picky about having good cooks while simultaneously being so fanciful that we change the flavor of the meals they’ve prepared? Plus, once we get used to eating from several dishes at once, we’re not as satisfied when we don’t have that variety. Meanwhile, someone who is okay with just one dish at a time has no real issue with having just one type of meat for dinner.”

He made likewise this remark: that to express what the other Greeks called “to eat a meal,” the Athenians said “to make good cheer;” and that the word “good” shows us that we ought to eat such things only as will neither disorder the body nor the mind, which are easily had, and purchased without great expense. From whence he inferred that they alone who live temperately and soberly can truly be said to make good cheer—that is to say, to eat well.

He also pointed out that while other Greeks referred to “eating a meal,” the Athenians called it “making good cheer.” He noted that the word “good” implies we should only eat things that don’t upset the body or mind, which are easy to find and not very costly. From this, he concluded that only those who live moderately and soberly can truly be said to make good cheer—that is, to eat well.

BOOK IV.

CHAPTER I. THAT PERSONS OF GOOD NATURAL PARTS, AS WELL AS THOSE WHO HAVE PLENTIFUL FORTUNES, OUGHT NOT TO THINK THEMSELVES ABOVE INSTRUCTION. ON THE CONTRARY, THE ONE OUGHT, BY THE AID OF LEARinging,TO IMPROVE THEIR GENIUS; THE OTHER, BY THE ACQUISITION OF KNOWLEDGE, TO RENDER THEMSELVES VALUABLE.

There was always, as we have already remarked, some improvement to be made with Socrates; and it must be owned that his company and conversation were very edifying, since even now, when he is no more among us, it is still of advantage to his friends to call him to their remembrance. And, indeed, whether he spoke to divert himself, or whether he spoke seriously, he always let slip some remarkable instructions for the benefit of all that heard him.

There was always, as we've said before, some way to improve with Socrates; and it has to be acknowledged that his presence and discussions were very enlightening, since even now, when he's no longer with us, it's still beneficial for his friends to remember him. Whether he spoke to entertain himself or was serious, he always shared some remarkable insights for the benefit of everyone who listened.

He used often to say he was in love, but it was easy to see it was not with the beauty of one’s person that he was taken, but with the virtues of his mind.

He often said he was in love, but it was easy to see that it wasn't someone's looks that captivated him, but rather their qualities of character.

The marks of a good genius, he said, were these—a good judgment, a retentive memory, and an ardent desire of useful knowledge; that is to say, when a person readily learns what he is taught, and strongly retains what he has learnt, as also when he is curious to know all that is necessary to the good government either of a family or of a republic; in a word, when one desires to obtain a thorough knowledge of mankind and of whatever relates to human affairs. And his opinion was that when these good natural parts are cultivated as they ought, such men are not only happy themselves, and govern their families prudently, but are capable likewise to render others happy, and to make republics flourish.

The characteristics of a great intellect, he said, include good judgment, a strong memory, and a passionate desire for useful knowledge. This means that a person easily learns what they are taught and retains it well, and is also eager to understand everything necessary for effectively managing a family or a republic. In short, it's about wanting to gain a deep understanding of humanity and issues related to human affairs. He believed that when these natural qualities are properly developed, such individuals are not only happy themselves and govern their families wisely, but they are also capable of making others happy and helping republics thrive.

On the one hand, therefore, whenever he met with any who believed themselves men of parts, and for that reason neglected to be instructed, he proved to them that men of the best natural parts are they who have most need of instruction; and to this purpose he alleged the example of a high-mettled horse, who, having more courage and more strength than others, does us very great service, if he be broke and managed in his youth; but if that be neglected, he grows so vicious and unruly that we know not what to do with him. Thus also dogs of a good breed, and that by nature are the most strong and mettlesome, are excellent for game, if they are well taught; otherwise they are apt to become high rangers and at no command. In like manner among men they who are blessed with the greatest advantages of Nature, to whom she has given the most courage and the greatest strength to enable them to succeed in their undertakings, are likewise the most virtuous, and do more good than others, when they meet with a good education; but if they remain without instruction they fall into an excess of ill, and become most pernicious to themselves and others. Merely for want of knowing their duty they often engage themselves in very wicked designs; and being imperious and violent, it is very difficult to keep them within bounds and to make them change their resolution, which is the reason they do a great deal of mischief.

On one hand, whenever he encountered people who considered themselves talented and therefore ignored the need for guidance, he showed them that those with the greatest natural abilities actually have the most need for education. To illustrate this, he used the example of a spirited horse that, with more courage and strength than others, can be incredibly useful if trained properly in its youth; but if ignored, it becomes so wild and unruly that we don't know how to handle it. Similarly, well-bred dogs that are naturally strong and energetic excel in hunting if properly trained; otherwise, they tend to roam freely and ignore commands. In the same way, among people, those who are naturally endowed with the greatest advantages, such as courage and strength, can be the most virtuous and do more good when they receive a proper education. However, without guidance, they can fall into serious wrongdoing and become harmful to themselves and others. Due to their lack of understanding of their responsibilities, they often get involved in very destructive actions, and because they are headstrong and aggressive, it becomes very challenging to rein them in or change their minds, which is why they cause so much trouble.

On the other hand, when he saw any of those men who pique themselves on their estates, and who believe because they are men of high condition that they are above instruction, or have no need of it, because their riches alone are sufficient to gain them the esteem of the world, and to make them succeed in all their undertakings, he endeavoured to convince them of their error, and to show them that they, too, have need of instruction. He told them that that man is a fool who imagines with himself that he can know the things that are useful from those that are hurtful, without having ever learnt the difference; or who, not discerning between them, fondly thinks that because he has wherewithal to buy whatever he has a mind to, he can therefore do whatever may lend to his advantage; or who, judging himself incapable to do what is useful for himself, thinks, nevertheless, that he is well in the world, and in a safe and happy condition of life. That it is likewise a folly for a man to persuade himself that, being rich and having no merit, he will pass for a man of parts; or that, not having the reputation of being a man of parts, he shall nevertheless be esteemed.

On the other hand, when he saw any of those men who take pride in their estates and believe that, just because they are wealthy, they don't need any guidance or instruction, he tried to show them that they, too, need education. He told them that it’s foolish to think they can tell useful things from harmful ones without ever learning the difference; or that, not recognizing the distinction, they naively believe that having money allows them to do anything that will benefit them; or that, thinking they're unable to do what’s good for themselves, they still believe they are well-off and living a happy life. He pointed out that it’s also foolish for someone to think that being rich without any true merit will make them respected; or that they will still be valued even if they lack the reputation of being capable.

CHAPTER II. CONFERENCE BETWEEN SOCRATES AND EUTHYDEMUS, IN WHICH HE CONVINCES THAT YOUNG MAN, WHO HAD A GREAT OPINION OF HIMSELF, THAT HE KNEW NOTHING.

When Socrates, on the other hand, found any who soothe themselves up in the belief that they are well instructed, and who boast of their own sufficiency, he never failed to chastise the vanity of such persons. Of his conduct in this particular I will relate the following instance—

When Socrates, on the other hand, came across people who comfort themselves with the idea that they are well-informed and who brag about their own competence, he always made it a point to criticize their arrogance. I will share the following example of his behavior in this regard—

He had been told that Euthydemus had bought up several works of the most celebrated poets and sophists, and that this acquisition had so puffed him up with arrogance, that he already esteemed himself the greatest man for learning and parts of any of the age, and pretended to no less than being the first man of the city, either for negotiating or for discoursing in public. Nevertheless, he was still so young that he was not admitted into the assemblies of the people, and if he had any affair to solicit he generally came and placed himself in one of the shops that were near the courts of justice. Socrates, having observed his station, failed not to go thither likewise with two or three of his friends; and there, being fallen into discourse, this question was started: Whether it was by the improving conversation of philosophers or by the strength of his natural parts only, that Themistocles surpassed all his countrymen in wisdom and valour, and advanced himself to such a high rank and to so great esteem, that all the Republic cast their eyes upon him whenever their affairs required the conduct of a man of bravery and wisdom? Socrates, who had a mind to reflect upon Euthydemus, answered that “a man must be very stupid to believe that mechanic arts (which are comparatively things but of small importance) cannot be learnt without masters; and yet that the art of governing of States, which is a thing of the greatest moment and that requires the greatest effort of human prudence, comes of itself into the mind.” And this was all that passed in this first interview.

He had heard that Euthydemus had purchased several works by the most renowned poets and thinkers, and that this had inflated his ego so much that he already considered himself the smartest person of his time, claiming to be the leading figure in the city, both in negotiation and public speaking. However, he was still so young that he wasn't allowed in the people's assemblies, and if he had any issues to address, he usually positioned himself in one of the shops near the courts of justice. Socrates, noticing his presence, went there as well with a couple of friends; and while they were talking, they began discussing whether Themistocles became wiser and braver than all his fellow citizens due to the enlightening conversations he had with philosophers or simply because of his natural talent. Socrates, wanting to make a point about Euthydemus, replied that “a person must be quite foolish to think that manual trades (which are relatively minor) cannot be learned without teachers; yet the ability to govern states, which is of the utmost importance and requires the highest level of human wisdom, just appears in one’s mind.” And that was all that happened during this first meeting.

After this Socrates, observing that Euthydemus always avoided being in his company, lest he should be taken for one of his admirers, attacked him more openly; and once when he happened to be where he was, addressed himself to the rest of the company in these words:—“Certainly, gentlemen, by what may be conjectured from the studies of this young man, it is very likely that when he shall have attained the age that permits him to be present in the assemblies of the people, if any important affair come to be debated there, he will not fail to give his judgment of it; and in my opinion he would introduce his harangue by a very pleasant exordium, if he should begin with giving them to understand that he had never learnt anything of any man whatsoever; he must address himself to them in words to this purpose:—

After this, Socrates noticed that Euthydemus always avoided him, probably to avoid being seen as one of his fans, so he confronted him more directly. One time, when Euthydemus was present, Socrates turned to the rest of the group and said, “Look, everyone, based on what I can tell from this young man’s studies, it’s likely that once he reaches the age where he can join public meetings, if there’s an important issue being discussed, he will definitely share his opinion. I think he would kick off his speech with a rather amusing introduction if he started by letting them know that he never learned anything from anyone at all. He should speak to them along these lines:—

“‘Gentlemen, I have never been taught anything, I never frequented the conversation of men of parts, I never gave myself the trouble to look out for a master that was able to instruct me. On the contrary, gentlemen, I have not only had an aversion to learn from others, but I should even have been very sorry to have it believed I had done so; nevertheless, I will venture to tell you what chance shall suggest to me in this present occasion.’ At this rate they who present themselves to be received physicians might introduce a like discourse as thus:—‘Gentlemen, I have never had any master to teach me this science; for, indeed, I would never learn it, nor even have the repute of having learnt it; nevertheless, admit me a physician, and I will endeavour to become learned in the art by making experiments on your own bodies.’”

“‘Gentlemen, I haven’t been taught anything, I never spent time with knowledgeable people, and I never bothered to find a teacher who could educate me. In fact, gentlemen, I’ve not only avoided learning from others, but I would have been quite upset if anyone thought I had; however, I will risk sharing what chance brings to mind in this moment.’ By this logic, those who wish to be accepted as physicians could present a similar statement like this:—‘Gentlemen, I have never had a teacher to educate me in this science; because honestly, I didn’t want to learn it, nor did I want to be known for having learned it; still, accept me as a physician, and I will try to gain knowledge in the field by experimenting on your own bodies.’”

All the company fell a-laughing at this pleasant preface, and from that time Euthydemus never avoided Socrates’ company as he had done before; but he never offered to speak, believing that his silence would be an argument of his modesty. Socrates, being desirous to rally him out of that mistaken notion, spoke to him in this manner:—

All the people in the company burst out laughing at this amusing introduction, and from that point on, Euthydemus no longer avoided Socrates like he had before; however, he never spoke up, thinking that his silence would show his modesty. Socrates, wanting to pull him out of that misunderstanding, addressed him in this way:—

“I wonder that they who desire to learn to play upon the lute, or to ride well, do not endeavour to learn it alone by themselves; but that they look out for masters, resolved to do everything they bid them, and to believe all they say, there being no other way to arrive at perfection in those arts; and that they who hope one day to govern the Republic, and to declaim before the people, imagine they can become fit to do so of themselves all of a sudden. Nevertheless, it must be owned that these employments are more difficult than the others, since among the great number of persons who push themselves into office so few discharge their duty as they ought. This shows us that more labour and diligence is required in such as would capacitate themselves for those offices than for anything else.”

“I wonder why those who want to learn to play the lute or ride well don't try to learn on their own. Instead, they seek out teachers, ready to do everything they're told and believe everything they say, as if that's the only way to master those skills. Yet, those who aspire to govern the Republic and speak in front of the public think they can suddenly become qualified without any preparation. However, it must be acknowledged that these roles are more challenging than others, as among the many people who seek office, so few actually fulfill their responsibilities properly. This indicates that more effort and dedication are needed for those who want to prepare themselves for those positions than for anything else.”

By these discourses, Socrates having prepared the mind of Euthydemus to hearken to what he intended to say to him, and to enter into conference with him, he came another time by himself into the same shop, and taking a seat next to this young man—“I have heard,” said he to him, “that you have been curious in buying a great many good books.” “I have,” said Euthydemus, “and continue to do so every day, designing to have as many as I can get.” “I commend you very much,” said Socrates, “for choosing rather to hoard up a treasure of learning and knowledge than of money. For you testify by so doing that you are not of opinion that riches, or silver and gold, can render one more valuable, that is to say, a wiser or a better man; but that it is only the writings and precepts of the philosophers and other fine writers that are the true riches, because they enrich with virtue the minds of those that possess them.” Euthydemus was pleased to hear him say this, believing that he approved his method; and Socrates, perceiving his satisfaction, went on: “But what is your design of making a collection of so many books? Do you intend to be a physician? There are many books in that science.” “That is not my design,” said Euthydemus. “Will you be an architect, then?” said Socrates, “for that art requires a learned man. Or do you study geometry or astrology?” “None of them.” “Do you mean to be a reciter of heroic verses?” continued Socrates, “for I have been told that you have all Homer’s works.” “Not in the least,” answered Euthydemus, “for I have observed that men of that profession know indeed a great many verses by heart, but for anything else they are for the most part very impertinent.” “Perhaps you are in love with that noble science that makes politicians and economists, and that renders men capable to govern, and to be useful to others and to themselves?” “That is what I endeavour to learn,” said Euthydemus, “and what I passionately desire to know.” “It is a sublime science,” replied Socrates; “it is that we call the royal science, because it truly is the science of kings. But have you weighed this point, whether a man can excel in that science without being an honest man?” “I have,” said the young man, “and am even of opinion that none but honest men can be good citizens.” “And are you an honest man?” said Socrates. “I hope I am,” answered Euthydemus, “as honest a man as another.” “Tell me,” said Socrates, “can we know who are honest men by what they do, as we know what trade a man is of by his work?” “We may.” “Then,” said Socrates, “as architects show us their works, can honest men show us theirs likewise?” “No doubt of it,” replied Euthydemus; “and it is no difficult task to show you which are the works of justice, and which those of injustice, that we so often hear mentioned.” “Shall we,” said Socrates, “make two characters, the one (J) to signify justice, the other (I) to denote injustice; and write under one of them all the works that belong to justice, and under the other all that belong to injustice?” “Do,” said Euthydemus, “if you think fit.”

By these discussions, Socrates prepared Euthydemus to listen to what he wanted to say and to have a conversation with him. He returned alone to the same shop, took a seat next to the young man, and said, “I’ve heard you’ve been interested in buying a lot of good books.” “I have,” Euthydemus replied, “and I continue to do so every day, aiming to gather as many as I can.” “I really commend you,” Socrates said, “for choosing to stockpile a treasure of learning and knowledge instead of money. By doing this, you show that you believe wealth—silver and gold—does not make someone more valuable, wiser, or a better person; rather, it’s the writings and teachings of philosophers and other great writers that are the true riches, because they enrich the minds of those who own them with virtue.” Euthydemus felt pleased to hear this, thinking that Socrates approved of his approach; and seeing his satisfaction, Socrates continued: “But what’s your goal in collecting so many books? Do you plan to be a physician? There are plenty of books in that field.” “That’s not my goal,” Euthydemus said. “Will you be an architect, then?” asked Socrates, “because that profession needs someone learned. Or are you studying geometry or astrology?” “None of those.” “Do you aim to be a reciter of epic poetry?” Socrates pressed, “I’ve heard you have all of Homer’s works.” “Not at all,” Euthydemus responded. “I’ve noticed that people in that profession know many lines by heart, but aside from that, they tend to be quite irrelevant.” “Perhaps you’re in love with that noble science that produces politicians and economists, and helps people govern themselves and others?” “That’s what I’m trying to learn,” said Euthydemus, “and I really want to know more about it.” “It’s a noble science,” Socrates replied; “we call it the royal science because it truly is the science of kings. But have you considered whether someone can excel in that science without being an honest person?” “I have,” said the young man, “and I actually believe that only honest people can be good citizens.” “And are you an honest person?” Socrates asked. “I hope so,” Euthydemus answered, “as honest as anyone else.” “Tell me,” Socrates said, “can we identify who honest people are by what they do, just like we can tell a person’s profession by their work?” “We can.” “Then,” Socrates said, “just as architects show us their work, can honest people show us theirs too?” “Absolutely,” Euthydemus replied; “and it’s not hard to show you what the works of justice are and what those of injustice are, which we hear mentioned so often.” “Shall we,” said Socrates, “create two categories, one (J) for justice and the other (I) for injustice, and list all the works of justice under one and all the works of injustice under the other?” “Go ahead,” said Euthydemus, “if you think it’s a good idea.”

Socrates, having done what he proposed, continued thus his discourse:—“Do not men tell lies?” “Very often,” answered Euthydemus. “Under which head shall we put lying?” “Under that of injustice,” said Euthydemus. “Do not men sometimes cheat?” “Most certainly.” “Where shall we put cheating?” said Socrates. “Under injustice.” “And doing wrong to one’s neighbour?” “There too.” “And selling of free persons into slavery?” “Still in the same place.” “And shall we write none of all these,” said Socrates, “under the head of justice?” “Not one of them,” answered Euthydemus; “it would be strange if we did.” “But what,” replied Socrates, “when a general plunders an enemy’s city, and makes slaves of all the inhabitants, shall we say that he commits an injustice?” “By no means.” “Shall we own, then, that he does an act of justice?” “Without doubt.” “And when he circumvents his enemies in the war, does he not do well?” “Very well.” “And when he ravages their land, and takes away their cattle and their corn, does he not do justly?” “It is certain he does,” said Euthydemus; “and when I answered you that all these actions were unjust, I thought you had spoken of them in regard only of friend to friend.” “We must, therefore,” replied Socrates, “put among the actions of justice those very actions we have ascribed to injustice, and we will only establish this distinction, that it is just to behave ourselves so towards our enemies; but that to treat our friends thus is an injustice, because we ought to live with them uprightly, and without any deceit.” “I think so,” said Euthydemus. “But,” continued Socrates, “when a general sees that his troops begin to be disheartened, if he make them believe that a great reinforcement is coming to him, and by that stratagem inspires fresh courage into the soldiers, under what head shall we put this lie?” “Under the head of justice,” answered Euthydemus. “And when a child will not take the physic that he has great need of, and his father makes it be given him in a mess of broth, and by that means the child recovers his health, to which shall we ascribe this deceit?” “To justice likewise.” “And if a man, who sees his friend in despair, and fears he will kill himself, hides his sword from him, or takes it out of his hands by force, what shall we say of this violence?” “That it is just,” replied Euthydemus. “Observe what you say,” continued Socrates; “for it follows from your answers that we are not always obliged to live with our friends uprightly, and without any deceit, as we agreed we were.” “No; certainly we are not, and if I may be permitted to retract what I said, I change my opinion very freely.” “It is better,” said Socrates, “to change an opinion than to persist in a wrong one. But there is still one point which we must not pass over without inquiry, and this relates to those whose deceits are prejudicial to their friends; for I ask you, which are most unjust, they who with premeditate design cheat their friends, or they who do it through inadvertency?” “Indeed,” said Euthydemus, “I know not what to answer, nor what to believe, for you have so fully refuted what I have said, that what appeared to me before in one light appears to me now in another. Nevertheless, I will venture to say that he is the most unjust who deceives his friend deliberately.” “Do you think,” said Socrates, “that one may learn to be just and honest, as well as we learn to read and write?” “I think we may.” “Which,” added Socrates, “do you take to be the most ignorant, he who reads wrong on purpose, or he who reads wrong because he can read no better?” “The last of them,” answered Euthydemus; “for the other who mistakes for pleasure need not mistake when he pleases.” “Then,” inferred Socrates, “he who reads wrong deliberately knows how to read; but he who reads wrong without design is an ignorant man.” “You say true.” “Tell me likewise,” pursued Socrates, “which knows best what ought to be done, and what belongs to justice, he who lies and cheats with premeditate design, or he who deceives without intention to deceive?” “It is most plain,” said Euthydemus, “that it is he who deceives with premeditate design.” “But you said,” replied Socrates, “that he who can read is more learned than he who cannot read?” “I did so.” “Therefore he who best knows which are the duties of justice is more just than he that knows them not.” “It seems to be so,” answered Euthydemus, “and I know not well how I came to say what I did.” “Indeed,” said Socrates, “you often change your opinion, and contradict what you say; and what would you yourself think of any man who pretended to tell the truth, and yet never said the same thing; who, in pointing out to you the same road, should show you sometimes east, sometimes west, and who, in telling the same sum, should find more money at one time than another; what would you think of such a man?” “He would make all men think,” answered Euthydemus, “that he knew nothing of what he pretended to know.”

Socrates, having accomplished what he intended, continued his discussion: “Don’t people tell lies?” “Very often,” replied Euthydemus. “Under what category should we place lying?” “Under injustice,” Euthydemus said. “Don’t people sometimes cheat?” “Absolutely.” “Where should we place cheating?” asked Socrates. “Under injustice.” “And what about doing wrong to one’s neighbor?” “That too.” “And selling free people into slavery?” “Still in the same category.” “Should we write any of these actions,” Socrates asked, “under justice?” “Not a single one,” Euthydemus replied; “it would be odd if we did.” “But what about when a general loots an enemy city and enslaves all of its inhabitants? Would we say he commits an injustice?” “Definitely not.” “So, should we then say that it’s an act of justice?” “Absolutely.” “And when he outsmarts his enemies in war, he doesn’t do well?” “Very well.” “And when he destroys their land and takes their cattle and grain, is that not just?” “It’s clear that it is,” Euthydemus said; “and when I said earlier that these actions were unjust, I thought you were referring only to friends.” “Then,” Socrates replied, “we must include among just actions those very actions we categorized as unjust, making a distinction: it is just to act this way towards our enemies, but treating our friends in such a manner is unjust, because we should live with them honestly and without deceit.” “I think so,” Euthydemus said. “But,” Socrates continued, “when a general sees that his troops are getting demoralized, if he makes them believe that a large reinforcement is on the way, and this trick inspires new courage in the soldiers, under what category should we place this lie?” “Under justice,” replied Euthydemus. “And when a child refuses to take the medicine he badly needs, and his father sneaks it into soup, helping the child regain his health, to what should we attribute this deception?” “Also to justice.” “And if a man sees his friend in despair and fears he might take his own life, hiding his sword or taking it away by force, how should we view this act?” “That it is just,” answered Euthydemus. “Consider what you’re saying,” Socrates continued; “your answers imply that we are not always required to be upright and honest with our friends, as we previously agreed.” “No, certainly we aren’t, and if I can take back what I said, I change my mind very freely.” “It's better,” said Socrates, “to change an opinion than to hold on to a wrong one. But there’s still one topic we should examine, concerning those whose deceit harms their friends; which is worse, those who deliberately cheat their friends or those who do it unintentionally?” “Honestly,” said Euthydemus, “I don't know what to answer or believe, because you have so thoroughly challenged my previous statements that what seemed clear before now appears confusing. Nonetheless, I’ll say that the most unjust is the one who intentionally deceives his friend.” “Do you think,” Socrates asked, “that one can learn to be just and honest just as we learn to read and write?” “I think so.” “Which,” Socrates added, “do you consider more ignorant, the one who reads incorrectly intentionally, or the one who reads incorrectly because he can’t do any better?” “The latter,” Euthydemus replied; “the former misreads for pleasure and can choose not to.” “Then,” Socrates concluded, “the person who reads incorrectly on purpose knows how to read; but the one who does so without intention is ignorant.” “You’re right.” “Also tell me,” Socrates pressed, “who understands best what should be done and what justice is: the one who lies and cheats with intent, or the one who deceives without intending to?” “It’s obvious,” Euthydemus said, “that it’s the one who deceives with intention.” “But you said,” Socrates responded, “that the one who can read is more knowledgeable than the one who cannot read?” “I did.” “Therefore, the person who best understands the duties of justice is more just than one who doesn’t.” “That seems right,” Euthydemus answered, “and I’m not sure how I came to say what I did.” “Indeed,” Socrates said, “you often change your views and contradict yourself; what would you think of someone who claims to speak the truth but never says the same thing twice, pointing out the same path sometimes east, other times west, and finding different amounts of money each time? What would you think of such a person?” “He would lead everyone to think,” Euthydemus replied, “that he knows nothing about what he claims to know.”

Socrates urged him yet further, and asked him: “Have you ever heard say that some men have abject and servile minds?” “I have.” “Is it said of them because they are learned or because they are ignorant?” “Surely because they are ignorant.” “Perhaps,” said Socrates, “it is because they understand not the trade of a smith?” “Not in the least for that.” “Is it because they know not how to build a house, or to make shoes?” “By no means,” said Euthydemus; “for most who are skilled in such professions have likewise abject and servile minds.” “This character, then,” pursued Socrates, “must be given to those who are ignorant of the noble sciences, and who know not what is just nor what is honourable?” “I believe so.” “We ought, therefore, Euthydemus, to do all we can to avoid falling into that ignominious ignorance that sinks us down so low.” “Alas, Socrates!” cried he out, “I will not lie for the matter; I thought I knew something in philosophy, and that I had learnt whatever was requisite to be known by a man who desired to make a practice of virtue; but judge how much I am afflicted to see that, after all my labours, I am not able to answer you concerning things which I ought chiefly to know; and yet I am at a loss what method to pursue in order to render myself more capable and knowing in the things I desire to understand.” Upon this, Socrates asked him whether he had ever been at Delphi, and Euthydemus answered that he had been there twice. “Did you not take notice,” said Socrates, “that somewhere on the front of the temple there is this inscription, ‘Know thyself’?” “I remember,” answered he, “I have read it there.” “It is not enough,” replied Socrates, “to have read it. Have you been the better for this admonition? Have you given yourself the trouble to consider what you are?” “I think I know that well enough,” replied the young man, “for I should have found it very difficult to have known any other thing if I had not known myself.” “But for a man to know himself well,” said Socrates, “it is not enough that he knows his own name; for, as a man that buys a horse cannot be certain that he knows what he is before he has ridden him, to see whether he be quiet or restive, whether he be mettlesome or dull, whether he be fleet or heavy—in short, before he has made trial of all that is good and bad in him—in like manner, a man cannot say that he knows himself before he has tried what he is fit for, and what he is able to do.” “It is true,” said Euthydemus, “that whoever knows not his own strength knows not himself.” “But,” continued Socrates, “who sees not of how great advantage this knowledge is to man, and how dangerous it is to be mistaken in this affair? for he who knows himself knows likewise what is good for himself. He sees what he is able to do, and what he is not able to do; by applying himself to things that he can do, he gets his bread with pleasure, and is happy; and by not attempting to do the things he cannot do, he avoids the danger of falling into errors, and of seeing himself miserable. By knowing himself, he knows likewise how to judge of others, and to make use of their services for his own advantage, either to procure himself some good, or to protect himself from some misfortune; but he who knows not himself, and is mistaken in the opinion he has of his own abilities, mistakes likewise in the knowledge of others, and in the conduct of his own affairs. He is ignorant of what is necessary for him, he knows not what he undertakes, nor comprehends the means he makes use of, and this is the reason that success never attends his enterprises, and that he always falls into misfortunes. But the man who sees clear into his own designs generally obtains the end he proposes to himself, and at the same time gains reputation and honour. For this reason, even his equals are well pleased to follow his advices; and they whose affairs are in disorder implore his assistance, and throw themselves into his hands, depending upon his prudence to retrieve their affairs, and to restore them to their former good condition. But he who undertakes he knows not what, generally makes an ill choice, and succeeds yet worse; and the present damage is not the only punishment he undergoes for his temerity. He is disgraced for ever; all men laugh at him, all men despise and speak ill of him. Consider likewise what happens to Republics who mistake their own strength, and declare war against States more powerful than themselves; some are utterly ruined, others lose their liberty, and are compelled to receive laws from the conquerors.”

Socrates pressed him further and asked, “Have you ever heard that some people have weak and submissive minds?” “I have.” “Is it said of them because they are knowledgeable or because they are ignorant?” “Definitely because they are ignorant.” “Perhaps,” Socrates said, “it’s because they don’t understand the trade of a blacksmith?” “Not at all.” “Is it because they don’t know how to build a house or make shoes?” “Not at all,” Euthydemus replied, “since many skilled professionals also have weak and submissive minds.” “So then,” Socrates continued, “this label must apply to those who are ignorant of the noble arts and don’t know what is just or honorable?” “I believe so.” “We should, therefore, Euthydemus, strive to avoid falling into that shameful ignorance that brings us so low.” “Alas, Socrates!” he cried out, “I won’t pretend otherwise; I thought I knew something about philosophy and that I had learned everything necessary to live a virtuous life. But look how distressed I am to realize that, after all my effort, I can’t answer you about the things I should know best; and I’m not sure how to become more capable and knowledgeable about what I want to understand.” At this, Socrates asked him if he had ever been to Delphi, and Euthydemus replied that he had been there twice. “Did you not notice,” Socrates asked, “that there’s an inscription on the front of the temple that says, ‘Know yourself’?” “I remember,” he answered, “I’ve read that there.” “It’s not enough,” Socrates replied, “to have read it. Have you benefited from this advice? Have you taken the time to think about who you are?” “I think I know that well enough,” the young man said, “since I would have found it very hard to know anything else if I didn’t know myself first.” “But for someone to truly know themselves,” Socrates said, “it’s not enough to just know their own name; just as someone buying a horse cannot be sure they know what it is like until they’ve ridden it to see if it is calm or restless, spirited or dull, fast or slow—in short, before they have tested all its qualities—similarly, a person cannot claim that they know themselves before they’ve explored what they’re suitable for and what they can do.” “It’s true,” Euthydemus acknowledged, “that anyone who doesn’t know their own strengths doesn’t know themselves.” “But,” Socrates continued, “who doesn’t see how beneficial this knowledge is to a person and how risky it is to be mistaken about it? For someone who knows themselves also understands what is good for them. They see what they can do and what they cannot do; by focusing on what they can do, they earn a living happily, and by avoiding what they can’t, they escape the dangers of making mistakes and feeling miserable. By knowing themselves, they also learn to judge others and make use of their skills for their own benefit, either to achieve something good or to protect themselves from misfortune. But someone who does not know themselves, and misjudges their own abilities, also misjudges others, and their management of their own affairs suffers. They lack the insight into what’s necessary for them, don’t understand what they’re taking on, nor comprehend the means they're using, which is why success eludes them and they often face misfortunes. But the person who has a clear understanding of their own goals usually achieves what they set out to do while gaining respect and honor. Because of this, even peers are willing to follow their advice, and those whose lives are in chaos seek their help, relying on their wisdom to get things back on track. In contrast, someone who takes on things they do not understand often makes poor choices and fares even worse; and the immediate problems are not the only punishment for their rashness. They are forever disgraced; people laugh at them, despise them, and speak ill of them. Consider what happens to nations that misjudge their own strength and declare war against more powerful states; some are completely destroyed, others lose their freedom, and are forced to accept laws from their conquerors.”

“I am fully satisfied,” said Euthydemus, “that a great deal depends on the knowledge of oneself. I hope you will now tell me by what a man must begin to examine himself.” “You know,” said Socrates, “what things are good and what are bad?” “Indeed,” answered Euthydemus, “if I knew not that, I were the most ignorant of all men.” “Then tell me your thoughts of this matter,” said Socrates. “First,” said Euthydemus, “I hold that health is a good and sickness an evil, and that whatever contributes to either of them partakes of the same qualities. Thus nourishment and the exercises that keep the body in health are very good; and, on the contrary, those that cause diseases are hurtful.” “But would it not be better to say,” replied Socrates, “that health and sickness are both good when they are the causes of any good, and that they are both bad when they are the causes of any ill?” “And when can it ever happen,” said Euthydemus, “that health is the cause of any ill, and sickness the cause of any good?” “This may happen,” answered Socrates, “when troops are raised for any enterprise that proves fatal; when men are embarked who are destined to perish at sea; for men who are in health may be involved in these misfortunes, when they who, by reason of their infirmities, are left at home, will be exempted from the mischiefs in which the others perish.” “You say true,” said Euthydemus, “but you see, too, that men who are in health are present in fortunate occasions, while they who are confined to their beds cannot be there.” “It must therefore be granted,” said Socrates, “that these things which are sometimes useful and sometimes hurtful are not rather good than bad.” “That is, indeed, the consequence of your argument,” replied Euthydemus; “but it cannot be denied that knowledge is a good thing; for what is there in which a knowing man has not the advantage of an ignorant one?” “And have you not read,” said Socrates, “what happened to Dædalus for his knowing so many excellent arts, and how, being fallen into the hands of Minos, he was detained by force, and saw himself at once banished from his country and stripped of his liberty? To complete his misfortune, flying away with his son, he was the occasion of his being miserably lost, and could not, after all, escape in his own person; for, falling into the hands of barbarians, he was again made a slave. Know you not likewise the adventure of Palamedes, who was so envied by Ulysses for his great capacity, and who perished wretchedly by the calumnious artifices of that rival? How many great men likewise has the King of Persia caused to be seized and carried away because of their admirable parts, and who are now languishing under him in a perpetual slavery?” “But, granting this to be as you say,” added Euthydemus, “you will certainly allow good fortune to be a good?” “I will,” said Socrates, “provided this good fortune consists in things that are undoubtedly good.” “And how can it be that the things which compose good fortune should not be infallibly good?” “They are,” answered Socrates, “unless you reckon among them beauty and strength of body, riches, honours, and other things of that nature.” “And how can a man be happy without them?” “Rather,” said Socrates, “how can a man be happy with things that are the causes of so many misfortunes? For many are daily corrupted because of their beauty; many who presume too much on their own strength are oppressed under the burden of their undertakings. Among the rich, some are lost in luxury, and others fall into the snares of those that wait for their estates. And lastly, the reputation and honours that are acquired in Republics are often the cause of their ruin who possess them.” “Certainly,” said Euthydemus, “if I am in the wrong to praise good fortune, I know not what we ought to ask of the Deity.” “Perhaps, too,” replied Socrates, “you have never considered it, because you think you know it well enough.

“I am completely satisfied,” said Euthydemus, “that a lot depends on understanding oneself. I hope you will now tell me how a person should start examining themselves.” “You know,” said Socrates, “what things are good and what are bad?” “Of course,” replied Euthydemus, “if I didn’t know that, I would be the most ignorant person alive.” “Then share your thoughts on this,” said Socrates. “First,” Euthydemus stated, “I believe health is good and sickness is bad, and whatever contributes to either of them shares the same qualities. Nourishment and exercises that keep the body healthy are very good; conversely, those that cause sickness are harmful.” “But wouldn’t it be better to say,” Socrates countered, “that health and sickness can both be good if they lead to something good, and both be bad if they lead to something bad?” “And when could it ever happen,” Euthydemus asked, “that health causes something bad and sickness causes something good?” “This can happen,” Socrates answered, “when troops are raised for an endeavor that ends poorly; when people set sail who are destined to perish at sea; for those who are healthy can find themselves in these misfortunes, while those who are ill and stay home are spared from the calamities that cause others to perish.” “You’re right,” Euthydemus acknowledged, “but you also see that healthy people are present in fortunate events, while those stuck in bed cannot be there.” “It must, therefore, be acknowledged,” Socrates said, “that these things that are sometimes useful and sometimes harmful aren’t purely good or bad.” “That’s indeed a conclusion of your argument,” Euthydemus responded; “but it can’t be denied that knowledge is a good thing; for what is there in which a knowledgeable person doesn’t have an advantage over an ignorant one?” “And haven’t you read,” Socrates said, “about what happened to Dædalus for knowing so many excellent skills, and how, after falling into the hands of Minos, he was forced to stay captive and found himself both exiled from his homeland and deprived of his freedom? To add to his misfortunes, while escaping with his son, he caused his son’s tragic loss, and ultimately, he couldn’t escape himself, for after falling into the hands of barbarians, he was made a slave again. Don’t you also know the tale of Palamedes, who was so envied by Ulysses for his great talents, and who met a miserable end due to the deceitful tricks of that rival? How many great men has the King of Persia seized and taken away because of their remarkable abilities, who now languish under him in perpetual slavery?” “But, even if this is true,” Euthydemus added, “you would surely agree that good fortune is a good thing?” “I would,” Socrates replied, “as long as this good fortune involves things that are genuinely good.” “And how can it be that the things that make up good fortune aren’t undeniably good?” “They are,” Socrates replied, “unless you consider beauty and physical strength, wealth, honor, and other similar things.” “And how can a person be happy without those things?” “Instead,” Socrates said, “how can someone be happy with things that cause so many misfortunes? Many are corrupted daily because of their beauty; many who are overly confident in their strength end up crushed by the weight of their ambitions. Among the wealthy, some are lost in luxury, while others fall into the traps set by those waiting for their fortunes. Lastly, the reputation and honors gained in societies often lead to the downfall of those who possess them.” “Certainly,” Euthydemus said, “if I’m wrong about praising good fortune, I have no idea what we should be asking from the Deity.” “Perhaps,” Socrates replied, “you’ve never truly considered it because you think you already understand it well enough.”

“But,” continued he, changing the subject of their discourse, “seeing you are preparing yourself to enter upon the government of our Republic, where the people are master, without doubt you have reflected on the nature of this State, and know what a democracy is?” “You ought to believe I do.” “And do you think it possible,” said Socrates, “to know what a democracy or popular State is without knowing what the people is?” “I do not think I can.” “And what is the people?” said Socrates. “Under that name,” answered Euthydemus, “I mean the poor citizens.” “You know, then, who are the poor?” “I do,” said Euthydemus. “Do you know, too, who are the rich?” “I know that too.” “Tell me, then, who are the rich and who are the poor?” “I take the poor,” answered Euthydemus, “to be those who have not enough to supply their necessary expenses, and the rich to be they who have more than they have occasion for.” “But have you observed,” replied Socrates, “that there are certain persons who, though they have very little, have nevertheless enough, and even lay up some small matter out of it; and, on the contrary, there are others who never have enough how great soever their estates and possessions are?” “You put me in mind,” said Euthydemus, “of something very much to the purpose, for I have seen even some princes so necessitous that they have been compelled to take away their subjects’ estates, and to commit many injustices.” “We must, then,” said Socrates, “place such princes in the rank of the poor, and those who have but small estates, yet manage them well, in the number of the rich.” “I must give consent to all you say,” answered Euthydemus, “for I am too ignorant to contradict you; and I think it will be best for me, from henceforward, to hold my peace, for I am almost ready to confess that I know nothing at all.”

“But,” he continued, changing the subject, “since you’re getting ready to take charge of our Republic, where the people are in control, you’ve definitely thought about the nature of this State and what a democracy really is?” “You should believe I do.” “And do you think it’s possible,” Socrates said, “to understand what a democracy or a popular State is without knowing who the people are?” “I don't think so.” “And who are the people?” asked Socrates. “By that name,” replied Euthydemus, “I mean the poor citizens.” “So you know who the poor are?” “I do,” Euthydemus said. “Do you also know who the rich are?” “I know that too.” “Then tell me, who are the rich and who are the poor?” “I consider the poor,” Euthydemus replied, “to be those who don’t have enough to cover their essential expenses, and the rich to be those who have more than they need.” “But have you noticed,” Socrates countered, “that there are some people who, even though they have very little, still have enough and even manage to save a little bit; while others never have enough regardless of how much they own?” “You remind me of something very relevant,” Euthydemus said, “because I’ve seen some princes so in need that they’ve had to seize their subjects’ properties and commit many injustices.” “Then we should,” Socrates said, “place those princes among the poor and those who have small estates but manage them well among the rich.” “I have to agree with everything you say,” Euthydemus replied, “because I’m too ignorant to argue with you; and I think it’s best for me to stay quiet from now on, since I’m almost ready to admit that I know nothing at all.”

Having said this, he withdrew, full of confusion and self-contempt, beginning to be conscious to himself that he was indeed a person of little or no account at all. Nor was he the only person whom Socrates had thus convinced of their ignorance and insufficiency, several of whom never came more to see him, and valued him the less for it. But Euthydemus did not act like them. On the contrary, he believed it impossible for him to improve his parts but by frequently conversing with Socrates, insomuch that he never left him, unless some business of moment called him away, and he even took delight to imitate some of his actions. Socrates, seeing him thus altered from what he was, was tender of saying anything to him that might irritate or discourage him; but took care to speak more freely and plainly to him of the things he ought to know and apply himself to.

After saying this, he pulled away, feeling confused and full of self-hatred, slowly realizing that he was really a person of little importance. He wasn’t the only one Socrates had made aware of their ignorance and shortcomings; several others never returned to see him and held him in even lower regard because of it. But Euthydemus wasn’t like them. On the contrary, he thought it was impossible for him to improve without frequently talking to Socrates, so he never left his side unless something important pulled him away, and he even enjoyed copying some of his actions. Socrates, noticing how much Euthydemus had changed, was careful not to say anything that might upset or discourage him, but he made sure to speak more openly and clearly to him about the things he needed to understand and focus on.

CHAPTER III. PROOFS OF A KIND SUPERINTENDING PROVIDENCE.—WHAT RETURNS OF GRATITUDE AND DUTY MEN OUGHT TO MAKE TO GOD FOR HIS FAVOURS.—AN HONEST AND GOOD LIFE THE BEST SONG OF THANKSGIVING OR THE MOST ACCEPTABLE SACRIFICE TO THE DEITY.

As Socrates considered virtue and piety as the two grand pillars of a State, and was fully persuaded that all other qualifications whatever, without the knowledge and practice of these, would, instead of enabling men to do good, serve, on the contrary, to render them more wicked and more capable of doing mischief. For that reason he never pressed his friends to enter into any public office until he had first instructed them in their duty to God and mankind. But, above all, he endeavoured to instil into their minds pious sentiments of the Deity, frequently displaying before them high and noble descriptions of the Divine power, wisdom, and goodness. But seeing several have already written what they had heard him say in divers occasions upon this subject, I will content myself with relating some things which he said to Euthydemus when I myself was present.

As Socrates viewed virtue and piety as the two main foundations of a State, he firmly believed that all other qualifications, without the understanding and practice of these, would instead lead people to be more wicked and more capable of causing harm. For this reason, he never encouraged his friends to take on any public roles until he had first taught them about their responsibilities to God and humanity. Most importantly, he aimed to instill in them a deep reverence for the Deity, often sharing lofty and noble descriptions of Divine power, wisdom, and goodness. Since many others have already written about what they heard him say on this topic, I will just share a few things he mentioned to Euthydemus when I was there myself.

“Have you never reflected, Euthydemus, on the great goodness of the Deity in giving to men whatever they want?” “Indeed, I never have,” answered he. “You see,” replied Socrates, “how very necessary light is for us, and how the gods give it us.” “You say true,” answered Euthydemus, “and without light we should be like the blind.” “But because we have need of repose they have given us the night to rest in; the night, which, of all times, is the fittest for repose.” “You are in the right,” said Euthydemus, “and we ought to render them many praises for it.” “Moreover,” continued Socrates, “as the sun is a luminous body, and by the brightness of his beams discovers to us all visible things, and shows us the hours of the day; and as, on the contrary, the night is dusky and obscure, they have made the stars to appear, which, during the absence of the day, mark the hours to us, by which means we can do many things we have occasion for. They have likewise made the moon to shine, which not only shows us the hours of the night, but teaches us to know the time of the month.” “All this is true,” said Euthydemus. “Have you not taken notice likewise that having need of nourishment, they supply us with it by the means of the earth? How excellently the seasons are ordered for the fruits of the earth, of which we have such an abundance, and so great a variety, that we find, not only wherewith to supply our real wants but to satisfy even luxury itself.” “This goodness of the gods,” cried Euthydemus, “is an evidence of the great love they bear to men.” “What say you,” continued Socrates, “to their having given us water, which is so necessary for all things? For it is that which assists the earth to produce the fruits, and that contributes, with the influences from above, to bring them to maturity; it helps to nourish us, and by being mingled with what we eat, makes it more easily got ready, more useful, and more delightful; in short, being of so universal an use, is it not an admirable providence that has made it so common? What say you to their having given us fire, which defends us from cold, which lights us when it is dark, which is necessary to us in all trades, and which we cannot be without in the most excellent and useful inventions of men?” “Without exaggeration,” said Euthydemus, “this goodness is immense.” “What say you, besides,” pursued Socrates, “to see that after the winter the sun comes back to us, and that proportionably as he brings the new fruits to maturity, he withers and dries those whose season is going over; that after having done us this service he retires that his heat may not incommode us; and then, when he is gone back to a certain point, which he cannot transgress, without putting us in danger of dying with cold, he returns again to retake his place in this part of the heavens, where his presence is most advantageous to us? And because we should not be able to support either cold or heat, if we passed in an instant from one extreme to the other, do you not admire that this planet approaches us and withdraws himself from us by so just and slow degrees, that we arrive at the two extremes without almost perceiving the change?” “All these things,” said Euthydemus, “make me doubt whether the gods have anything to do but to serve mankind. One thing puts me to a stand, that the irrational animals participate of all these advantages with us.” “How!” said Socrates, “and do you then doubt whether the animals themselves are in the world for any other end than for the service of man? What other animals do, like us, make use of horses, of oxen, of dogs, of goats, and of the rest? Nay, I am of opinion, that man receives not so much advantage from the earth as from the animals; for the greatest part of mankind live not on the fruits of the earth, but nourish themselves with milk, cheese, and the flesh of beasts; they get the mastery over them, they make them tame, and use them to their great advantage in war and for the other necessities of life.” “I own it,” said Euthydemus, “for some of them are much stronger than man, and yet are so obedient to him, that he does with them whatever he pleases.”

“Have you ever thought, Euthydemus, about the great kindness of the Deity in providing for all that humanity desires?” “Actually, I haven't,” he replied. “Look,” Socrates said, “how essential light is for us, and how the gods provide it.” “That's true,” Euthydemus answered, “and without light, we would be like the blind.” “And since we need rest, they've given us the night for relaxation; the night, which is the best time for rest.” “You're right,” Euthydemus said, “and we should give them much praise for that.” “Additionally,” Socrates continued, “the sun, a shining body, reveals all visible things to us and indicates the hours of the day; conversely, the night is dark and obscure, so they've made stars appear, which, during nighttime, mark the hours for us, allowing us to accomplish many necessary tasks. They've also created the moon to shine, which not only tells us the time at night but also helps us track the month.” “All of this is true,” Euthydemus said. “Have you not noticed, too, that since we need nourishment, they provide it through the earth? The seasons are beautifully arranged for growing fruits, of which we have such abundance and variety that we find supplies not only for our basic needs but also to satisfy indulgence.” “This goodness of the gods,” Euthydemus exclaimed, “shows their great love for humanity.” “What do you think,” Socrates continued, “about the fact that they've given us water, which is essential for everything? It helps the earth produce fruits and, along with influences from above, aids them in ripening; it nourishes us and, mixed with our food, makes it easier to prepare, more useful, and more enjoyable; in short, its widespread utility is an amazing provision that makes it so plentiful. What do you think about their giving us fire, which protects us from the cold, lights our way in darkness, is necessary for all trades, and is essential for the most excellent and useful creations of humankind?” “Without exaggeration,” Euthydemus replied, “this goodness is immense.” “What do you think,” Socrates pressed on, “about how, after winter, the sun returns to us, and as he brings new fruits to maturity, he also withers and dries the ones whose time has passed; that after serving us, he retreats so that his heat doesn't inconvenience us; and then, when he goes back to a certain point he can't exceed without putting us in danger of freezing, he returns to reclaim his spot in this part of the sky, where his presence benefits us most? And because we wouldn’t be able to handle either cold or heat if we suddenly shifted from one extreme to the other, isn't it incredible that this planet approaches us and moves away so gradually, allowing us to transition to the extremes without hardly noticing the shift?” “All these things,” Euthydemus said, “make me wonder whether the gods exist solely to serve humanity. One thing confuses me: that irrational animals share in all these benefits with us.” “What do you mean?” Socrates asked. “Do you doubt that animals exist for any other purpose than to serve man? What other animals, like us, use horses, oxen, dogs, goats, and others? In fact, I believe that humans benefit more from animals than from the earth itself; most people do not live on the fruits of the land but instead on milk, cheese, and the flesh of animals; they dominate them, tame them, and use them greatly for war and other life needs.” “I agree,” Euthydemus said, “since some of these animals are much stronger than humans, yet are so obedient that they do whatever we want.”

“Admire yet further the goodness of the gods,” said Socrates, “and consider, that as there is in the world an infinite number of excellent and useful things, but of very different natures, they have given us external senses, which correspond to each of those sensible objects, and by means of which senses we can perceive and enjoy all of them. They have, besides, endued us with reason and understanding, which enableth us to discern between those things that the senses discover to us, to inquire into the different natures of things useful and things hurtful, and so to know by experience which to choose and which to reject. They have likewise given us speech, by means whereof we communicate our thoughts to each other, and instruct one another in the knowledge of whatever is excellent and good; by which also we publish our laws and govern States. In fine, as we cannot always foresee what is to happen to us, nor know what it will be best for us to do, the gods offer us likewise their assistance by the means of the oracles; they discover the future to us when we go to consult them, and teach us how to behave ourselves in the affairs of life.”

“Admire even more the goodness of the gods,” said Socrates, “and consider that, just as there are countless excellent and useful things in the world, each with their own nature, they have given us senses that match each of those things, allowing us to perceive and enjoy all of them. Moreover, they have endowed us with reason and understanding, which enable us to distinguish between what our senses reveal, to explore the different natures of useful and harmful things, and to learn from experience which to choose and which to avoid. They have also provided us with speech, allowing us to share our thoughts with one another and teach each other about whatever is good and valuable; through this, we also share our laws and govern our societies. Ultimately, since we can't always predict what will happen or know what is best to do, the gods provide us with their guidance through oracles; they reveal the future when we consult them and teach us how to navigate life's challenges.”

Here Euthydemus, interrupting him, said, “And indeed these gods are in this respect more favourable to you than to the rest of mankind, since, without expecting you to consult them, they give you notice of what you ought or ought not to do.” “You will allow, therefore, that I told you true,” said Socrates, “when I told you there were gods, and that they take great care of men; but expect not that they will appear to you, and present themselves before your eyes. Let it suffice you to behold their works, and to adore them, and be persuaded that this is the way by which they manifest themselves to men, for among all the gods that are so liberal to us there is not one who renders himself visible to confer on us his favours. And that Supreme God, who built the universe, and who supports this great work, whose every part is accomplished in beauty and goodness; He, who is the cause that none of its parts grow old with time, and that they preserve themselves always in an immortal vigour, who is the cause, besides, that they inviolably obey His laws with a readiness that surpasses our imagination; He, I say, is visible enough in the so many wondrous works of which He is author, but our eyes cannot penetrate even into His throne to behold Him in these great occupations, and in that manner it is that He is always invisible. Do but consider that the sun, who seems to be exposed to the sight of all the world, does not suffer us to gaze fixedly upon him, and whoever has the temerity to undertake it is punished with sudden blindness. Besides, whatever the gods make use of is invisible; the thunder is lanced from above, it shatters all it finds in its way, but we see it not fall, we see it not strike, we see it not return. The winds are invisible, though we see the desolations they daily make, and easily feel when they grow boisterous. If there be anything in man that partakes of the divine nature it is his soul, which, beyond all dispute, guides and governs him, and yet we cannot see it. Let all this, therefore, teach you not to neglect or disbelieve the Deity, because He is invisible; learn to know His presence and power from the visible effects of it in the world around you; be persuaded of the universal care and providence of the all-surrounding Deity from the blessings He showers down upon all His creatures, and be sure to worship and serve this God in a becoming manner.”

Here, Euthydemus interrupted him, saying, “These gods are actually more favorable to you than to other people because they inform you of what you should or shouldn’t do without expecting you to ask them.” “So you have to admit I was right,” Socrates replied, “when I said there are gods who care deeply for humans; but don’t expect them to show themselves to you or appear before your eyes. Just take the time to observe their works, worship them, and believe that this is how they reveal themselves to people. Among all the gods that are generous to us, not one makes themselves visible to grant us their favors. The Supreme God, who created the universe and sustains this great work—every part of it executed with beauty and goodness—He is the reason none of its parts age with time and remain in an eternal vigor. He also ensures that everything obeys His laws with a readiness beyond our imagination; He, I tell you, is visible enough in the many wonders He has created, but our eyes can’t even witness His throne to see Him in His great tasks—that's why He is always invisible. Just think about the sun, which appears to be visible to the entire world; we can’t stare directly at him, and whoever dares to do so is struck blind. Moreover, everything the gods use is also invisible; lightning comes from above, devastating everything in its path, but we can’t see it fall, hit, or return. The winds are invisible, yet we see the destruction they cause daily and can easily feel them when they become fierce. If there’s anything in humans that resembles the divine, it's the soul, which undoubtedly guides and governs us, yet we can’t see it. Let all of this teach you not to ignore or doubt the divine just because it’s invisible; learn to recognize His presence and power from the visible effects in the world around you; trust in the universal care and providence of the all-encompassing God from the blessings He bestows upon all His creatures, and make sure to worship and serve this God properly.”

“I am sure,” said Euthydemus, “I shall never derogate from the respect due to the gods; and I am even troubled that every man cannot sufficiently acknowledge the benefits he receives from them.” “Be not afflicted at that,” said Socrates, “for you know what answer the Delphian Oracle is wont to return to those who inquire what they ought to do in order to make an acceptable sacrifice. ‘Follow the custom of your country,’ says he to them. Now, it is a custom received in all places for every man to sacrifice to them according to his power; and by consequence there is no better nor more pious a way of honouring the gods than that, since they themselves ordain and approve it. It is indeed a truth that we ought not to spare anything of what we are able to offer, for that would be a manifest contempt. When, therefore, a man has done all that is in his power to do, he ought to fear nothing and hope all; for, from whence can we reasonably hope for more, than from those in whose power it is to do us the greatest good? And by what other way can we more easily obtain it, than by making ourselves acceptable to them? And how can we better make ourselves acceptable to them, than by doing their will?”

“I’m sure,” Euthydemus said, “that I will always show the respect the gods deserve; it actually bothers me that not every person can fully appreciate the benefits they receive from them.” “Don’t let that upset you,” Socrates replied, “because you know what the Delphian Oracle usually says to those who ask how to make a proper sacrifice. ‘Follow the customs of your country,’ it tells them. This custom is recognized everywhere: everyone sacrifices to the gods according to their means; therefore, there's no better or more devoted way to honor them than this, since it's divinely sanctioned. It’s true that we should not hold back anything we can offer, as that would clearly show disrespect. So, when someone has done everything they can, they should fear nothing and hope for everything, because where else can we expect more than from those who have the ability to do the most good? And what better way can we find to achieve that than by making ourselves pleasing to them? And how can we be more pleasing to them than by doing what they want?”

This is what Socrates taught, and by this doctrine, which was always accompanied with an exemplary devotion, he greatly advanced his friends in piety.

This is what Socrates taught, and through this principle, which was always paired with remarkable dedication, he significantly helped his friends grow in their religious devotion.

CHAPTER IV. INSTANCES OF THE INVIOLABLE INTEGRITY OF SOCRATES.—HIS CONVERSATION WITH HIPPIAS CONCERNING JUSTICE.

Concerning justice, it cannot be said that Socrates concealed his opinion of it, for he plainly revealed his sentiments by his actions, as well in public as in private, making it his business to serve every man, and to obey the magistrates and the laws; insomuch, that as well in the army as in the city, his obedience and uprightness rendered him remarkable above all others. He fully discovered the integrity of his soul, when he presided in the assemblies of the people; he would never pass a decree that was contrary to the laws; he alone defended the cause of justice against the efforts of the multitude, and opposed a violence which no man but himself was able to resist. Again, when the Thirty commanded him anything that was unjust, he did not obey them. Thus, when they forbid him to speak to the young men, he regarded not their inhibition, and when they gave orders to him, as well as to some other citizens, to bring before them a certain man, whom they intended to put to death, he alone would do nothing in it, because that order was unjust. In like manner when he was accused by Melitus, though in such occasions others endeavour to gain their judges by flatteries and ignominious solicitations, which often procure them their pardon, he would not put in practice any of these mean artifices that are repugnant to the laws, and yet he might very easily have got himself acquitted, if he could have prevailed with himself to comply in the least with the custom, but he chose rather to die in an exact observance of the laws, than to save his life by acting contrary to them, for he utterly abhorred all mean or indirect practices; and this was the answer he gave to several of his friends who advised him to the contrary.

Concerning justice, it can't be said that Socrates hid his views on it, as he clearly showed his beliefs through his actions, both in public and private. He made it his mission to help everyone and to follow the magistrates and the laws. His obedience and integrity made him stand out in both the army and the city. He fully demonstrated the honesty of his soul when he led the assemblies of the people; he would never pass a law that went against the existing ones. He alone defended justice against the crowd's pressure and resisted a force that no one else could withstand. Moreover, when the Thirty gave him unjust orders, he refused to comply. For instance, when they prohibited him from speaking to the young men, he ignored their restriction, and when they commanded him and some other citizens to bring a certain man to them for execution, he did nothing because that order was unjust. Similarly, when he was accused by Melitus, others might try to win over their judges with flattery and shameful tactics, which often get them pardoned. Socrates, however, refused to employ any of these dishonorable strategies that contradicted the laws, even though he could have easily secured his acquittal if he had been willing to bend slightly to custom. Instead, he preferred to die while strictly adhering to the laws rather than save his life by acting against them, as he completely despised all base or dishonest practices. This was the response he gave to several of his friends who suggested otherwise.

Since I am now illustrating the character of Socrates with regard to justice, I will, at the same time, relate a conversation I remember he had with Hippias of Elis on that subject.

Since I'm now explaining Socrates' views on justice, I'll also share a conversation I recall he had with Hippias of Elis about that topic.

It was a long while that Hippias had not been at Athens; and being arrived there, he happened to come to a place where Socrates was discoursing with some persons, and telling them that if any one had a mind to learn a trade, there wanted not masters to teach him; nay, that if one would have a horse trained up there were persons enough to undertake it; but that if one desired to learn to be a good man, or to have his son, or any of his family taught to be so, it would be difficult to know to whom to apply himself. Hippias rallying him, said:—“What! Socrates, you are still repeating the same things I heard you say so long ago.” “Nay, more,” replied Socrates, “and always upon the same subject; but you, perhaps, being learned as you are, do not always say the same thing upon the same subject.” “Indeed,” said Hippias, “I always endeavour to say something new.” “Is it possible,” replied Socrates? “Pray tell me if you were asked how many letters there are in my name, and which they are, would you answer sometimes in one manner and sometimes in another? Or if you were asked whether twice five be not ten, would you not always say the same thing?” “In subjects like those,” said Hippias, “I should be obliged to say the same thing as well as you; but since we are upon the theme of justice, I believe I can now say some things of it, against which, neither you nor any man else can make any objection.” “Good God!” cried Socrates, “what a mighty boast is here! Upon my word, Hippias, you have made an admirable discovery! and you have reason to value yourself upon it; for, let me tell you, if you can establish one single opinion of justice, the judges will be no longer divided in their sentiments, there will be no more quarrels, no more suits at law, no more seditions among citizens, no more wars between republics. Indeed, it much troubles me to leave you before you have taught me this secret, which you say you have discovered.” “I give you my word,” answered Hippias, “that I will tell you nothing of it, till you have first declared your own opinion concerning justice; for it is your old way to interrogate others, and then to laugh at them by refuting what they have said; but you never make known your own opinions, that you may not be obliged to give a reason for them.” “Why do you lay this to my charge,” said Socrates, “since I am continually showing to all the world what are the things I believe to be just?” “How do you show it?” said Hippias. “If I explain it not by my words,” answered Socrates, “my actions speak it sufficiently; and do you think that actions deserve not rather to be believed than words?” “Much rather,” said Hippias, “because many may say one thing, and do another; nay, we see that, in fact, many who preach up justice to others are very unjust themselves; but this cannot be said of a man whose every action is good, and that never in his life did an unjust thing.” “Have you known, then,” said Socrates, “that I have accused any man out of malice, that I have sown dissension among friends, that I have raised seditions in the Republic; in short, that I have committed any other sort of injustice?” “Not in the least,” said he. “Well, then,” added Socrates, “do you not take him to be just who commits no manner of injustice?” “It is plain, now,’” said Hippias, “that you intend to get loose, and that you will not speak your mind freely, nor give us an exact definition of justice. For all this while you have only shown what just men do not, but not what they do.” “I should have thought,” said Socrates, “I had given at once a good definition, and a clear instance of justice, when I called it an aversion from doing injustice. But since you will not allow it to be so, see whether this will satisfy you: I say, then, that justice ‘is nothing but the observance of the laws.’” “You mean,” said Hippias, “that to observe the laws is to be just?” “Yes,” answered Socrates. “I cannot comprehend your thought,” said Hippias. “Do you not know,” pursued Socrates, “what the laws in a State are?” “The laws,” answered Hippias, “are what the citizens have ordained by an universal consent.” “Then,” inferred Socrates, “he who lives conformably to those ordinances observes the laws; and he who acts contrary to them is a transgressor of the laws.” “You say true.” “Is it not likewise true,” continued Socrates, “that he who obeys these ordinances does justly, and that he obeys them not does unjustly?” “Yes.” “But,” said Socrates, “he who acts justly is just, and he who acts unjustly is unjust?” “Without doubt.” “Therefore,” said Socrates, “whosoever observes the laws is just, and whosoever observes them not is unjust.” “But how can it be imagined,” objected Hippias, “that the laws are a good thing, and that it is good to obey them, since even they that made them mend, alter, and repeal them so often?” To this Socrates answered, “When you blame those who obey the laws, because they are subject to be abrogated, you do the same thing as if you laughed at your enemies for keeping themselves in a good posture of defence during the war, because you might tell them that the peace will one day be made: and thus you would condemn those who generously expose their lives for the service of their country. Do you know,” added he, “that Lycurgus could never have rendered the Republic of Sparta more excellent than other States if he had not made it his chief care to incline the citizens most exactly to observe the laws? This, too, is what all good magistrates aim at, because a Republic that is obedient to the laws is happy in peace, and invincible in war. Moreover, you know that concord is a great happiness in a State. It is daily recommended to the people; and it is an established custom all over Greece to make the citizens swear to live in good understanding with one another, and each of them takes an oath to do so. Now, I do not believe that this unity is exacted of them, only that they might choose the same company of comedians, or of musicians, nor that they might give their approbation to the same poets, or all take delight in the same diversions, but that they may all unanimously obey the laws, because that obedience is the security and the happiness of the State. Concord, therefore, is so necessary, that without it good polity and authority cannot subsist in any State, nor good economy and order in any family.

It had been a long time since Hippias had been in Athens. When he arrived there, he came upon Socrates speaking with some people. Socrates was saying that if anyone wanted to learn a trade, there were plenty of teachers available; and if someone wanted a horse trained, there were people to do that too. However, he pointed out that if someone wanted to learn to be a good person, or if they wanted their child or family to be taught the same, it would be hard to know who to approach. Hippias jokingly replied, “What’s this, Socrates? You're still saying the same things I heard you say ages ago.” Socrates responded, “And even more, I always talk about the same topic. But maybe, with your knowledge, you don’t always say the same thing about the same topic.” “Actually,” Hippias said, “I always try to say something new.” “Is that so?” Socrates replied. “Tell me, if someone asked how many letters are in my name and which ones, would you give different answers sometimes? Or if you were asked if twice five is ten, would you say anything other than the same answer?” “In matters like those,” Hippias admitted, “I would have to give the same answer as you. But since we’re discussing justice, I believe I can now say things about it that neither you nor anyone else can refute.” “Good grief!” Socrates exclaimed. “What a bold claim! My word, Hippias, you've made a remarkable discovery! You must be proud of it, because let me tell you, if you can establish a single opinion on justice, judges will no longer disagree, there won’t be any more arguments, no more lawsuits, no more civil unrest, and no more wars between states. It actually troubles me to leave you before you share this secret you claim to have found.” “I promise,” Hippias responded, “that I won’t tell you anything about it until you first express your own opinion on justice. You have a habit of questioning others and then laughing at them by disproving what they say, but you never reveal your own views to avoid having to justify them.” “Why do you accuse me of this?” Socrates replied. “I continually show the world what I believe is just.” “How do you do that?” Hippias asked. “If I don’t explain it with my words,” Socrates answered, “my actions clearly demonstrate it. Do you not think actions should be believed more than words?” “Definitely,” Hippias said, “since many say one thing and do another; in fact, we see that many who preach justice to others are quite unjust themselves. But you can’t say that about someone whose every action is good and has never done anything unjust.” “Have you known,” Socrates asked, “if I’ve ever accused anyone out of spite, caused discord among friends, stirred up strife in the Republic, or committed any other form of injustice?” “Not at all,” Hippias replied. “Well then,” Socrates continued, “do you not consider someone just who commits no form of injustice?” “It’s clear now,” Hippias said, “that you’re trying to evade the issue and won’t speak your mind freely or give a clear definition of justice. This whole time, you’ve only shown what just people don’t do, but not what they do.” “I thought I’d given a good definition and clear example of justice when I called it a rejection of doing injustice. But since you won’t accept that, let me see if this satisfies you: I say that justice is ‘nothing but the observance of the laws.’” “You mean,” Hippias said, “that following the laws makes someone just?” “Yes,” Socrates answered. “I can’t grasp your reasoning,” Hippias said. “Do you not know,” Socrates continued, “what the laws of a State are?” “The laws,” Hippias replied, “are what the citizens have agreed upon by universal consent.” “Then,” Socrates inferred, “he who lives in accordance with those laws observes them, and he who acts against them is a lawbreaker.” “True,” Hippias said. “Is it also true,” Socrates went on, “that someone who obeys these laws acts justly, and someone who disobeys them acts unjustly?” “Yes.” “But,” Socrates added, “whoever acts justly is just, and whoever acts unjustly is unjust?” “Without a doubt.” “Therefore,” Socrates concluded, “whoever observes the laws is just, and whoever doesn’t is unjust.” “But how can we imagine,” Hippias countered, “that the laws are good and that it’s good to obey them when even the lawmakers frequently amend, change, or repeal them?” Socrates answered, “When you criticize those who obey the laws because they can be revoked, it's like laughing at your enemies for keeping themselves ready during a war because you claim peace will eventually come; and thus you would condemn those who bravely risk their lives for their country. Do you know,” he added, “that Lycurgus could never have made Sparta better than other States if he hadn’t placed great importance on having citizens closely follow the laws? This is the goal of all good leaders because a Republic that obeys the laws is happy in peace and unbeatable in war. Furthermore, you know that harmony is a major blessing for a State. It is routinely encouraged among the people, and across Greece, it's a common practice for citizens to swear to live in harmony with each other. Each one takes an oath to do so. I don’t believe this unity is required just so they can agree on the same comedies or music, nor so they’ll all approve of the same poets or enjoy the same activities, but so they will all collectively obey the laws, since that obedience is the security and happiness of the State. Therefore, harmony is so essential that without it, good governance and authority cannot thrive in any State, nor can good management and order exist in any family.”

“In our private capacity, likewise, how advantageous is it to obey the laws? By what means can we more certainly avoid punishments, and deserve rewards? What more prudent conduct can we observe, always to gain our suits at law, and never to be cast! To whom should we with greater confidence trust our estates or our children, than to him who makes a conscience of observing the laws? Who can deserve more of his country? whom can she more safely entrust with public posts, and on whom can she more justly bestow the highest honours, than on the good and honest man? Who will discharge himself better of his duty towards his father or his mother, towards his relations or his domestics, towards his friends, his fellow-citizens, or his guests? To whom will the enemy rather trust for the observing of a truce, or for the performance of a treaty of peace? With whom would we rather choose to make an alliance? To whom will the allies more readily give the command of their armies, or the government of their towns? From whom can we rather hope for a grateful return of a kindness than from a man who strictly obeys the laws? and, by consequence, to whom will men be more ready to do good turns, than to him of whose gratitude they are certain? With whom will men be better pleased to contract a friendship, and, consequently, against whom will men be less inclined to commit acts of hostility, than against that person who has everybody for his well-wisher and friend, and few or none for his ill-wishers or enemies? These, Hippias, are the advantages of observing the laws. And now, having shown you that the observance of the laws is the same thing with justice, if you are of another opinion, pray let me know it.” “Indeed, Socrates,” answered Hippias, “what you have said of justice agrees exactly with my sentiments of it.” “Have you never heard,” continued Socrates, “of certain laws that are not written?” “You mean the laws,” answered Hippias, “which are received all over the earth.” “Do you think, then,” added Socrates, “that it was all mankind that made them?” “That is impossible,” said Hippias, “because all men cannot be assembled in the same place, and they speak not all of them the same language.” “Who, then, do you think gave us these laws?” “The gods,” answered Hippias; “for the first command to all men is to adore the gods.” “And is it not likewise commanded everywhere to honour one’s father and mother?” “Yes, certainly,” said Hippias. Socrates went on:—“And that fathers and mothers should not marry with their own children, is not that too a general command?” “No,” answered Hippias, “this last law is not a Divine law, because I see some persons transgress it.” “They observe not the others better,” said Socrates; “but take notice, that no man violates with impunity a law established by the gods. There are unavoidable punishments annexed to this crime; but we easily secure ourselves from the rigour of human laws, after we have transgressed them, either by keeping ourselves hid, or defending ourselves by open force.” “And what is this punishment,” said Hippias, “which it is impossible for fathers, who marry with their own children, to avoid?” “It is very great,” said Socrates; “for what can be more afflicting to men, who desire to have children than to have very bad ones?” “And how do you know,” pursued Hippias, “that they will have bad children? What shall hinder them, if they are virtuous themselves, from having children that are so likewise?” “It is not enough,” answered Socrates, “that the father and the mother be virtuous: they must, besides, be both of them in the vigour and perfection of their age. Now, do you believe, that the seed of persons who are too young, or who are already in their declining age, is equal to that of persons who are in their full strength?” “It is not likely that it is,” said Hippias. “And which is the best?” pursued Socrates. “Without doubt,” said Hippias, “that of a man in his strength.” “It follows, then,” continued Socrates, “that the seed of persons who are not yet come to their full strength, or who are past it, is not good.” “In all appearance it is not.” “In those ages, then, we ought not to get children?” said Socrates. “I think so.” “Such, therefore, as indulge their lust in such untimely fruition will have very weakly children?” “I grant they will.” “And are not weakly children bad ones?” “They are,” said Hippias.

“In our personal lives, how beneficial is it to follow the laws? How can we more definitely avoid punishments and earn rewards? What smarter approach can we take to win our legal battles and never lose? Who should we trust with our possessions or our children more confidently than someone who genuinely follows the laws? Who can contribute more to their country? Who can be more safely entrusted with public roles, and who can more justly receive the highest honors, than a good and honest person? Who will fulfill their duties better to their parents, relatives, servants, friends, fellow citizens, or guests? To whom would an enemy prefer to trust for upholding a truce or enforcing a peace treaty? With whom would we rather form an alliance? To whom will allies more willingly give command of their armies or the governance of their towns? From whom can we more likely expect a sincere return of kindness than from someone who strictly follows the laws? Consequently, to whom are people more inclined to do favors than to someone whose gratitude they can count on? With whom will people prefer to form friendships, and thus, against whom are people less likely to hostilities than against someone who has many well-wishers and few, if any, detractors? These, Hippias, are the advantages of following the laws. Now that I’ve shown you that following the laws is the same as being just, if you disagree, please let me know.” “Indeed, Socrates,” Hippias replied, “what you’ve said about justice completely aligns with my views.” “Have you never heard,” Socrates continued, “of certain laws that aren’t written?” “You mean the laws,” answered Hippias, “that are recognized globally.” “Do you think, then,” Socrates added, “that all of humanity created these laws?” “That’s impossible,” said Hippias, “because not all people can gather in the same place, and they don’t all speak the same language.” “Who, then, do you believe gave us these laws?” “The gods,” Hippias replied; “for the first command to all people is to worship the gods.” “And isn’t it also commanded everywhere to honor one’s father and mother?” “Yes, certainly,” said Hippias. Socrates continued: “And that fathers and mothers should not marry their own children, isn’t that also a universal command?” “No,” Hippias answered, “that last law isn’t a Divine law, because I see some people break it.” “They don’t observe the others any better,” Socrates said; “but note that no one escapes punishment for violating a law established by the gods. There are unavoidable consequences for this crime; however, we can often evade the harshness of human laws after breaking them, either by hiding or by defending ourselves with force.” “And what is this punishment,” Hippias inquired, “that fathers who marry their own children can’t escape?” “It’s very severe,” Socrates said; “for what could be more distressing for those who desire children than to have very bad ones?” “And how do you know,” Hippias pressed, “that they will have bad children? What would prevent them, if they are virtuous themselves, from having children who are virtuous too?” “It’s not enough,” Socrates replied, “that the father and mother are virtuous; they must both also be in the prime of their age. Now, do you believe that the seed from people who are too young or already aging is equal to that of those in their prime?” “It seems unlikely,” said Hippias. “And which is better?” Socrates pressed. “Without a doubt,” Hippias replied, “the seed from a man in his prime.” “It follows, then,” Socrates continued, “that the seed from those not yet at their peak or past it is not good.” “It certainly appears so.” “So, in those ages, we shouldn’t have children?” Socrates asked. “I believe so.” “Therefore, those who indulge their desires at such untimely times will have very weak children?” “I agree they will.” “And aren’t weak children bad ones?” “They are,” Hippias said.

“Tell me, further,” said Socrates, “is it not an universal law to do good to those who have done good to us?” “Yes,” said Hippias, “but many offend against this law.” “And they are punished for it,” replied Socrates, “seeing their best friends abandon them, and that they are obliged to follow those who have an aversion for them. For are not they the best friends who do kindnesses whenever they are desired? And if he who has received a favour neglect to acknowledge it, or return it ill, does he not incur their hate by his ingratitude? And yet, finding his advantage in preserving their goodwill, is it not to them that he makes his court with most assiduity?” “It is evident,” said Hippias, “that it is the gods who have ordered these things; for, when I consider that each law carries with it the punishment of the transgressor, I confess it to be the work of a more excellent legislator than man.” “And do you think,” said Socrates, “that the gods make laws that are unjust?” “On the contrary,” answered Hippias, “it is very difficult for any but the gods to make laws that are just.” “Therefore, Hippias,” said Socrates, “according to the gods themselves ‘to obey the laws is to be just.’”

“Tell me more,” said Socrates, “isn’t it a universal law to do good to those who have done good to us?” “Yes,” said Hippias, “but many go against this law.” “And they face the consequences,” replied Socrates, “seeing their best friends abandon them, and they have to follow those who dislike them. Aren't the best friends the ones who do kind things whenever asked? And if someone who has received a favor fails to acknowledge it or returns it poorly, doesn’t he earn their hatred through his ingratitude? Yet, recognizing that he needs to keep their goodwill, doesn’t he try hard to please them?” “It’s clear,” said Hippias, “that it’s the gods who set these things up; because when I think about how each law comes with punishment for those who break it, I admit it’s the work of a superior legislator than man.” “And do you believe,” said Socrates, “that the gods create unjust laws?” “On the contrary,” answered Hippias, “it’s very hard for anyone but the gods to create just laws.” “Therefore, Hippias,” said Socrates, “according to the gods themselves, ‘to obey the laws is to be just.’”

This is what Socrates said on the subject of justice, and his actions being conformable to his words, he from day to day created a greater love of justice in the minds of those who frequented him.

This is what Socrates said about justice, and since his actions matched his words, he gradually fostered a greater appreciation for justice in the minds of those who spent time with him.

CHAPTER V. OF THE MISCHIEFS OF INTEMPERANCE, AND THE ADVANTAGES OF SOBRIETY.

I will now set down the arguments that Socrates used to bring his friends to the practice of good actions, for being of opinion that temperance is a great advantage to such as desire to do anything that is excellent, he first showed them, by his way of living, that no man was more advanced than himself in the exercise of that virtue; and in his conferences he exhorted his hearers above all things to the practice of it, and his thoughts being continually employed in the means of arriving to be virtuous, he made it likewise the subject of all his discourses.

I will now outline the arguments that Socrates used to encourage his friends to engage in good actions. He believed that self-control is a significant advantage for anyone who wants to achieve excellence. He first demonstrated through his own lifestyle that no one was more advanced than he was in practicing that virtue. In his discussions, he encouraged his listeners above all else to practice it, and since his thoughts were always focused on how to become virtuous, he made it the main topic of all his talks.

I remember that talking once with Euthydemus concerning temperance he delivered himself to this effect:—“In your opinion, Euthydemus, is liberty a very valuable thing?” “To be valued above all things,” answered Euthydemus. “Do you believe that a man who is a slave to sensual pleasures, and finds himself incapable of doing good, enjoys his liberty?” “Not in the least.” “You allow, then, that to do good is to be free, and that to be prevented from doing it, by any obstacle whatever, is not to be free?” “I think so,” said Euthydemus. “You believe, then,” said Socrates, “that debauched persons are not free?” “I do.” “Do you believe likewise,” continued Socrates, “that debauchery does not only hinder from doing good, but compels to do ill?” “I think it does.” “What would you say, then, of a master who should hinder you from applying yourself to what is honest, and force you to undertake some infamous occupation?” “I would say he was a very wicked master,” answered Euthydemus. “And which is the worst of all slaveries?” added Socrates. “To serve ill masters,” said Euthydemus. “Therefore,” inferred Socrates, “the debauched are in a miserable slavery.” “No doubt of it.” “Is it not debauchery, likewise,” said Socrates, “that deprives men of their wisdom, the noblest gift of the gods, and drives them into ignorance and stupidity, and all manner of disorders? It robs them of leisure to apply themselves to things profitable, while it drowns them in sensual pleasures; and it seizes their minds to that degree that, though they often know which is the best way, they are miserably engaged in the worst.” “They are so.” “Nor can we expect to find temperance nor modesty in a debauched person, since the actions of temperance and debauchery are entirely opposite.” “There is no doubt of it,” said Euthydemus. “I do not think neither,” added Socrates, “that it is possible to imagine anything that makes men neglect their duty more than debauchery.” “You say true.” “Is there anything more pernicious to man,” said Socrates, “than that which robs him of his judgment, makes him embrace and cherish things that are hurtful, avoid and neglect what is profitable, and lead a life contrary to that of good men?” “There is nothing,” said Euthydemus. Socrates went on:—“And may we not ascribe the contrary effects to temperance?” “Without doubt.” “And is it not likely to be true that the cause of the contrary effects is good?” “Most certainly.” “It follows, then, my dear Euthydemus,” said Socrates, “that temperance is a very good thing?” “Undoubtedly it is.” “But have you reflected,” pursued Socrates, “that debauchery, which pretends to lead men to pleasures, cannot conduct them thither, but deceives them, leaving them in disappointment, satiety, and disgust? and have you considered that temperance and sobriety alone give us the true taste of pleasures? For it is the nature of debauchery not to endure hunger nor thirst, nor the fatigue of being long awake, nor the vehement desires of love, which, nevertheless, are the true dispositions to eat and drink with delight, and to find an exquisite pleasure in the soft approaches of sleep, and in the enjoyments of love. This is the reason that the intemperate find less satisfaction in these actions, which are necessary and frequently done. But temperance, which accustoms us to wait for the necessity, is the only thing that makes us feel an extreme pleasure in these occasions.” “You are in the right,” said Euthydemus. “It is this virtue, too,” said Socrates, “that puts men in a condition of bringing to a state of perfection both the mind and the body, of rendering themselves capable of well governing their families, of being serviceable to their friends and their country, and of overcoming their enemies, which is not only very agreeable on account of the advantages, but very desirable likewise for the satisfaction that attends it. But the debauched know none of this, for what share can they pretend to in virtuous actions, they whose minds are wholly taken up in the pursuit of present pleasures?” “According to what you say,” replied Euthydemus, “a man given to voluptuousness is unfit for any virtue.” “And what difference is there,” said Socrates, “between an irrational animal and a voluptuous man, who has no regard to what is best, but blindly pursues what is most delightful? It belongs to the temperate only to inquire what things are best and what not, and then, after having found out the difference by experience and reasoning, to embrace the good and avoid the bad, which renders them at once most happy, most virtuous, and most prudent.”

I remember once talking with Euthydemus about self-control, and he said something like this: “Do you think, Euthydemus, that freedom is very valuable?” “Absolutely, it's the most valuable,” Euthydemus responded. “Do you think a person who is a slave to their desires, who can’t do good, really enjoys their freedom?” “Not at all.” “So, you agree that doing good means being free, and being prevented from doing good by any obstacle means you’re not free?” “I think so,” said Euthydemus. “Then you believe,” Socrates said, “that people who indulge in excess are not free?” “I do.” “Do you also think,” Socrates continued, “that such indulgence not only prevents people from doing good but actually forces them to do wrong?” “I believe it does.” “What would you say about a master who stops you from doing what is right and makes you do something shameful?” “I would say he is a very wicked master,” Euthydemus replied. “And what do you think is the worst kind of slavery?” Socrates added. “To serve bad masters,” said Euthydemus. “So,” Socrates concluded, “the indulgent are in terrible slavery.” “No doubt about it.” “Isn’t it also true,” Socrates said, “that indulgence robs people of their wisdom, the greatest gift from the gods, and leads them into ignorance and chaos? It takes away their time to focus on what’s important while drowning them in pleasure, and it captures their minds so completely that even when they know what’s best, they’re stuck doing the worst.” “That’s right.” “We can't expect to find self-control or modesty in someone who is indulgent, since the actions of self-control and indulgence are completely opposite.” “Absolutely,” Euthydemus agreed. “And I don't think it's possible to imagine anything that makes people neglect their responsibilities more than indulgence.” “That’s true.” “Is there anything more harmful to a person,” Socrates asked, “than something that takes away their judgment, makes them embrace harmful things, ignore beneficial ones, and live a life opposite to that of good people?” “Nothing at all,” said Euthydemus. Socrates continued: “Can we attribute the opposite effects to self-control?” “Definitely.” “And isn't it likely true that the cause of the opposite effects is something good?” “For sure.” “So it follows, my dear Euthydemus,” Socrates said, “that self-control is a very good thing?” “No doubt about it.” “Have you considered,” Socrates asked, “that indulgence, which claims to lead people to pleasure, only deceives them, leaving them disappointed, overindulged, and disgusted? Have you thought about how only self-control and sobriety give us the true enjoyment of pleasures? Indulgence can’t handle hunger or thirst or the exhaustion of staying awake too long, nor the intense desires of love, which are essential to enjoying food, drink, peaceful sleep, and the pleasures of love. That's why the indulgent find less satisfaction in these necessary and frequent actions. But self-control allows us to wait for these necessities, making us feel extreme pleasure in those moments.” “You’re right,” Euthydemus said. “This virtue,” Socrates continued, “also equips people to perfect both their minds and bodies, making them capable of well-governing their families, being helpful to their friends and country, and overcoming their enemies, which is not only beneficial but also rewarding for the satisfaction it brings. But those who indulge don’t know any of this, as how can they claim any part in virtuous actions when their minds are entirely focused on seeking immediate pleasures?” “From what you’re saying,” Euthydemus replied, “a person who is excessively indulgent is unfit for any virtue.” “And what’s the difference,” Socrates asked, “between an irrational animal and an indulgent person who doesn't care about what’s best but just blindly chases pleasure? Only those who practice self-control seek to understand what is best and what isn’t, and after learning the difference through experience and reasoning, they embrace what’s good and avoid what’s bad, making them the happiest, most virtuous, and most wise.”

This was the sum of this conference with Euthydemus. Now Socrates said that conferences were so called because the custom was to meet and confer together, in order to distinguish things according to their different species, and he advised the frequent holding of these conferences, because it is an exercise that improves and makes men truly great, teaches them to become excellent politicians, and ripens the judgment and understanding.

This was the gist of the conversation with Euthydemus. Socrates then suggested that conferences were named that way because people would gather to discuss and sort things into different categories. He encouraged holding these meetings often, as they help improve people and make them truly great. They also teach individuals to be better politicians and enhance their judgment and understanding.

CHAPTER VI. SOCRATES’ FRIENDS ATTAIN, BY FREQUENTING HIS CONVERSATION, AN EXCELLENT WAY OF REASONING.—THE METHOD HE OBSERVED IN ARGUING SHOWN IN SEVERAL INSTANCES.—OF THE DIFFERENT SORTS OF GOVERN MENT.—HOW SOCRATES DEFENDED HIS OPINIONS.

I will show, in the next place, how Socrates’ friends learnt to reason so well by frequenting his conversation. He held that they who perfectly understand the nature of things can explain themselves very well concerning them, but that a man who has not that knowledge often deceives himself and others likewise. He therefore perpetually conferred with his friends without ever being weary of that exercise. It would be very difficult to relate how he defined every particular thing. I will therefore mention only what I think sufficient to show what method he observed in reasoning. And, in the first place, let us see how he argues concerning piety.

I will explain next how Socrates’ friends became good at reasoning by engaging in his conversations. He believed that those who truly understand the nature of things can clearly express their thoughts about them, while someone lacking that understanding often misleads themselves and others. He constantly discussed ideas with his friends, never getting tired of it. It would be tough to detail how he defined every specific thing, so I'll only mention what I think is enough to illustrate the method he used in reasoning. First, let’s look at how he argued about piety.

“Tell me,” said he to Euthydemus, “what piety is?” “It is a very excellent thing,” answered Euthydemus. “And who is a pious man?” said Socrates. “A man who serves the gods.” “Is it lawful,” added Socrates, “to serve the gods in what manner we please?” “By no means,” said Euthydemus; “there are laws made for that purpose, which must be kept.” “He, then, who keeps these laws will know how he ought to serve the gods?” “I think so.” “And is it not true,” continued Socrates, “that he who knows one way of serving the gods believes there is no better a way than his?” “That is certain.” “And will he not be careful how he does otherwise?” “I believe he will.” “He, then, who knows the laws that ought to be observed in the service of the gods, will serve them according to the laws?” “Without doubt.” “But he who serves the gods as the laws direct, serves them as he ought?” “True, he does.” “And he who serves the gods as he ought is pious?” “There can be no doubt of it.” “Thus, then,” said Socrates, “we have the true definition of a pious man: He who knows in what manner he ought to serve the gods?” “I think so,” said Euthydemus.

“Tell me,” he said to Euthydemus, “what is piety?” “It’s a really great thing,” Euthydemus replied. “And who is a pious person?” Socrates asked. “A person who serves the gods.” “Is it permissible,” Socrates continued, “to serve the gods however we want?” “Not at all,” Euthydemus said; “there are laws established for that purpose, which must be followed.” “So then, someone who follows these laws will know how to serve the gods?” “I think so.” “And isn’t it also true,” Socrates went on, “that anyone who knows one way of serving the gods believes there isn’t a better way than theirs?” “That’s definitely true.” “And won’t they be cautious about doing it any other way?” “I believe they will.” “So, the person who knows the laws that should be followed in serving the gods will serve them according to those laws?” “Absolutely.” “But the one who serves the gods as the laws instruct is serving them as they should?” “That’s true.” “And the person who serves the gods as they should is pious?” “There’s no doubt about that.” “So, then,” said Socrates, “we have the correct definition of a pious person: Someone who knows how they should serve the gods?” “I think so,” Euthydemus replied.

“Tell me further,” continued Socrates, “is it lawful for men to behave themselves to one another as they please?” “In nowise,” answered Euthydemus; “there are also certain laws which they ought to observe among themselves.” “And do they,” said Socrates, “who live together according to those laws, live as they ought?” “Yes.” “And do they who live as they ought live well?” “Certainly they do.” “And does he who knows how to live well with men understand well how to govern his affairs?” “It is likely that he may.” “Now, do you believe,” said Socrates, “that some men obey the laws without knowing what the laws command?” “I do not believe it.” “And when a man knows what he ought to do, do you think he believes that he ought not to do it?” “I do not think so.” “And do you know any men who do otherwise than they believe they ought to do?” “None at all.” “They, then, who know the laws that men ought to observe among themselves, do what those laws command?” “I believe so.” “And do they who do what the laws command, do what is just?” “Most surely.” “And they who do what is just are just likewise?” “None but they are so.” “We may, therefore, well conclude,” said Socrates, “that the just are they who know the laws that men ought to observe among themselves?” “I grant it,” said Euthydemus.

“Tell me more,” Socrates continued, “is it acceptable for people to treat each other however they want?” “Not at all,” Euthydemus replied; “there are certain laws they should follow among themselves.” “And do those who live together according to those laws live as they should?” “Yes.” “And do those who live as they should live well?” “Absolutely.” “And does someone who knows how to live well with others also understand how to manage his own affairs?” “That seems likely.” “Now, do you think,” Socrates said, “that some people follow the laws without knowing what those laws require?” “I don’t think so.” “And when a person knows what he should do, do you believe he thinks he shouldn’t do it?” “I don’t think so.” “And do you know anyone who acts differently than what they believe they should do?” “Not at all.” “So, those who know the laws that people should follow among themselves act according to those laws?” “I believe they do.” “And do they who act according to the laws do what is just?” “Definitely.” “And those who do what is just are just as well?” “Only they are.” “We can, therefore, conclude,” Socrates said, “that the just are those who know the laws that people should follow among themselves?” “I agree,” said Euthydemus.

“And as for wisdom,” pursued Socrates, “what shall we say it is? Tell me whether are men said to be wise in regard to the things they know, or in regard to those they do not know?” “There can be no doubt,” answered Euthydemus, “but that it is in consideration of what they know; for how can a man be wise in things he knows not?” “Then,” said Socrates, “men are wise on account of their knowledge?” “It cannot be otherwise.” “Is wisdom anything but what renders us wise?” “No.” “Wisdom therefore is only knowledge?” “I think so.” “And do you believe,” said Socrates, “that it is in the power of a man to know everything?” “Not so much as even the hundredth part.” “It is, then, impossible,” said Socrates, “to find a man who is wise in all things?” “Indeed it is,” said Euthydemus. “It follows, then,” said Socrates, “that every man is wise in what he knows?” “I believe so.”

“And about wisdom,” Socrates continued, “what should we say it is? Do people get labeled as wise based on what they know or what they don’t know?” “There’s no doubt,” Euthydemus replied, “that it’s based on what they know; how can someone be wise about things they don’t know?” “So,” Socrates asked, “people are wise because of their knowledge?” “It must be so.” “Is wisdom anything else but what makes us wise?” “No.” “So wisdom is just knowledge?” “I think so.” “And do you think it’s possible for someone to know everything?” “Not even a fraction of it.” “Then,” Socrates concluded, “it’s impossible to find someone who is wise about everything?” “That’s correct,” Euthydemus agreed. “So, it follows,” Socrates said, “that each person is wise in what they know?” “I believe that’s true.”

“But can we, by this same way of comparison, judge of the nature of good?” “As how?” said Euthydemus. “Do you think,” said Socrates, “that the same thing is profitable to all men?” “By no means.” “Do you believe that the same thing may be profitable to one and hurtful to another?” “I think it may.” “Then is it not the good that is profitable?” “Yes, certainly.” “Therefore, ‘what is profitable is a good to him to whom it is profitable.’” “That is true.”

“But can we, by this same way of comparison, judge the nature of good?” “How so?” said Euthydemus. “Do you think,” said Socrates, “that the same thing is beneficial to everyone?” “Not at all.” “Do you believe that the same thing can be beneficial to one person and harmful to another?” “I think it can.” “Then isn’t it true that what is good is what is beneficial?” “Yes, definitely.” “So, ‘what is beneficial is good for the person to whom it is beneficial.’” “That’s true.”

“Is it not the same with what is beautiful? For, can you say that a body or a vessel is beautiful and proper for all the world?” “By no means.” “You will say, then, that it is beautiful in regard to the thing for which it is proper?” “Yes.” “But tell me whether what is reputed beautiful for one thing has the same relation to another as to that to which it is proper?” “No.” “Then ‘whatever is of any use is reputed beautiful in regard to the thing to which that use relates?’” “I think so.”

“Isn’t it the same with beauty? Can you really say that a body or a vessel is beautiful and suitable for everyone?” “Not at all.” “Then you’ll agree that it’s beautiful in relation to the purpose it serves?” “Yes.” “But tell me, does something considered beautiful for one purpose hold the same value for another purpose?” “No.” “So, does that mean ‘anything useful is seen as beautiful in relation to its intended purpose?’” “I think so.”

“And what say you of courage?” added Socrates. “Is it an excellent thing?” “Very excellent,” answered Euthydemus. “But do you believe it to be of use in occasions of little moment?” “Yes; but it is necessary in great affairs.” “Do you think it of great advantage in dangers,” continued Socrates, “not to perceive the peril we are in?” “I am not of that opinion.” “At that rate,” said Socrates, “they who are not frightened because they see not the danger are in nowise valiant.” “There is no doubt of it,” said Euthydemus, “for otherwise there would be some fools, and even cowards, who must be accounted brave.” “And what are they who fear what is not to be feared?” “They are less brave than the others,” answered Euthydemus. “They therefore,” said Socrates, “who show themselves valiant in dangerous occasions, are they whom you call brave; and they who behave themselves in them unworthily, are they whom you call cowards?” “Very right.” “Do you think,” added Socrates, “that any men are valiant in such occasions except they who know how to behave themselves in them?” “I do not think there are.” “And are not they, who behave themselves unworthily, the same as they who know not how to behave themselves?” “I believe they are.” “And does not every man behave himself as he believes he ought to do?” “Without doubt.” “Shall we say, then, that they who behave themselves ill know how they ought to behave themselves?” “By no means.” “They, therefore, who know how to behave themselves, are they who behave themselves well?” “They and no others.” “Let us conclude, then,” said Socrates, “that they who know how to behave themselves well in dangers and difficult occasions are the brave, and that they who know not how to do so are the cowards.” “That is my opinion,” said Euthydemus.

“And what do you think about courage?” Socrates asked. “Is it a great thing?” “Absolutely,” Euthydemus replied. “But do you think it’s useful in minor situations?” “Yes, but it’s essential in serious matters.” “Do you think it’s a big advantage in dangerous situations,” Socrates continued, “not to recognize the danger we’re in?” “I don’t think so.” “So, those who aren’t afraid because they can’t see the danger aren’t truly brave,” said Socrates. “That’s definitely true,” Euthydemus said, “because otherwise there would be some fools and cowards who would have to be considered brave.” “And what about those who fear what shouldn’t be feared?” “They are less brave than the others,” Euthydemus answered. “So, those who act bravely in dangerous situations are the ones you call brave, and those who act poorly are the ones you call cowards?” “Exactly.” “Do you think there are any men who are brave in such situations except for those who know how to conduct themselves?” “I don’t believe there are.” “And aren’t those who act poorly the same as those who don’t know how to act?” “I think they are.” “And doesn’t everyone act according to what they believe is the right way to act?” “Absolutely.” “So, should we say that those who act poorly know how they should act?” “Not at all.” “So, those who know how to act are the ones who act well?” “Yes, and no one else.” “Let’s conclude, then,” said Socrates, “that those who know how to act well in dangerous and difficult situations are the brave, and those who don’t know how to do so are the cowards.” “That’s my opinion,” Euthydemus said.

Socrates was wont to say, that a kingly government and a tyrannical government were indeed two sorts of monarchy, and that there was this difference between them; that, under a kingly government, the subjects obeyed willingly, and that everything was done according to the laws of the State; but that, under a tyrannical government, the people obeyed by force, and that all the laws were reduced to the sole will of the sovereign.

Socrates used to say that a royal government and a tyrannical government were two types of monarchy, and the difference between them was this: in a royal government, the people obeyed willingly, and everything was done according to the laws of the State; but in a tyrannical government, the people obeyed by force, and all the laws were based solely on the will of the ruler.

Concerning the other sorts of government, he said: That when the offices of a Republic are given to the good citizens, this sort of State was called aristocracy, or government of good men; when, on the contrary, the magistrates were chosen according to their revenues, it was called a plutocracy, or government of the rich; and when all the people are admitted, without distinction, to bear employments, it is a democracy, or popular government.

Concerning the other types of government, he said: When the positions in a Republic are given to good citizens, this type of state is called an aristocracy, or the rule of the good; when, on the other hand, the leaders are chosen based on their wealth, it's called a plutocracy, or the rule of the rich; and when all citizens, without distinction, are allowed to hold positions, it is called a democracy, or government by the people.

If any one opposed the opinion of Socrates, on any affair whatever, without giving a convincing reason, his custom was to bring back the discourse to the first proposition, and to begin by that to search for the truth. For example: if Socrates had commended any particular person, and any stander-by had named another, and pretended that he was more valiant, or more experienced in affairs, he would have defended his opinion in the following manner:—

If anyone disagreed with Socrates' opinion on any matter without providing a solid reason, he would usually steer the conversation back to the initial statement and use that as a basis to seek the truth. For instance, if Socrates praised a certain person and someone nearby mentioned another, claiming that they were braver or more experienced, he would defend his viewpoint in the following way:—

“You pretend,” would he have said, “that he of whom you speak is a better citizen than the person whom I was praising. Let us consider what is the duty of a good citizen, and what man is most esteemed in a Republic. Will you not grant me, that in relation to the management of the public revenue, he is in the highest esteem who, while he has that office, saves the Republic most money? In regard to the war, it is he who gains most victories over the enemies. If we are to enter into a treaty with other States, it is he who can dexterously win over to the party of the Republic those who before opposed its interests. If we are to have regard to what passes in the assemblies of the people, it is he who breaks the cabals, who appeases the seditious, who maintains concord and unity among the citizens.” This being granted him, he applied these general rules to the dispute in question, and made the truth plainly appear, even to the eyes of those who contradicted him. As for himself, when he undertook to discourse of anything, he always began by the most common and universally received propositions, and was wont to say, that the strength of the argumentation consisted in so doing. And, indeed, of all the men I have ever seen, I know none who could so easily bring others to own the truth of what he had a mind to prove to them. And he said that Homer, speaking of Ulysses, called him “the certain or never-failing orator,” because he had the art of supporting his arguments upon principles that were acknowledged by all men.

“You're pretending,” he would have said, “that the person you're talking about is a better citizen than the one I was praising. Let’s think about what a good citizen should do and who is most respected in a Republic. Can you agree that, when it comes to managing public funds, the person who saves the Republic the most money in that position is held in the highest regard? Regarding warfare, it’s the one who wins the most battles against our enemies. If we’re making treaties with other States, it’s the one who can skillfully persuade those who previously opposed us to support our Republic. When it comes to assemblies of the people, it’s the one who breaks up factions, calms the rebellious, and fosters unity among citizens.” Once this was acknowledged, he applied these general principles to the current dispute and made the truth clear, even to those who disagreed with him. When he discussed any topic, he always started with the most common and widely accepted ideas, often saying that the strength of the argument lies in this approach. In fact, of all the people I’ve encountered, I know no one who could so easily convince others of the truths he wanted to demonstrate. He also mentioned that Homer described Ulysses as “the certain or never-failing orator” because he knew how to base his arguments on universally accepted principles.

CHAPTER VII. METHOD TO BE OBSERVED IN STUDY.—ARTS AND SCIENCES NO FURTHER USEFUL, THAN THEY CONTRIBUTE TO RENDER MEN WISER, BETTER, OR HAPPIER.—VAIN AND UNPROFITABLE KNOWLEDGE TO BE REJECTED.

I presume now, that what I have said has been a sufficient evidence of the frankness and sincerity with which Socrates conversed with his friends, and made known his opinions to them. It remains now that I should say something of the extreme care Socrates showed for the advancement of his friends, and how much he had at heart that they might not be ignorant of anything that could be useful to them, to the end they might not want the assistance of others in their own affairs. For this reason, he applied himself to examine in what each of them was knowing; then, if he thought it in his power to teach them anything that an honest and worthy man ought to know, he taught them such things with incredible readiness and affection; if not, he carried them himself to masters who were able to instruct them. But he resolved within himself how far a person who was well-educated in his studies ought to learn everything.

I believe that what I've shared shows how open and genuine Socrates was when talking with his friends and sharing his views with them. Now, I should mention the great care he took for his friends' growth and how much he wanted them to be knowledgeable about anything that could help them, so they wouldn't need others' help in their own lives. For this reason, he made an effort to see what each of them knew; then, if he thought he could teach them something important that a good and honorable person should know, he did so with remarkable enthusiasm and care. If not, he took them to teachers who could educate them. But he also considered how much a well-educated person should learn overall.

Thus for geometry he said, that we ought to know enough of it not to be imposed upon in measure when we buy or sell land, when we divide an inheritance into shares, or measure out the work of a labourer, and that it was so easy to know this, that if a man applied himself ever so little to the practice of such things, he would soon learn even the extent and circumference of the whole earth, and how to measure it; but he did not approve that a man should dive into the very bottom of this science, and puzzle his brains with I know not what figures, though he himself was expert in it, for he said he could not see what all those niceties and inventions were good for, which take up the whole life of a man, and distract him from other more necessary studies.

So, regarding geometry, he said that we should know enough to avoid being cheated when we buy or sell land, divide an inheritance, or measure a laborer's work. He believed it was so simple to learn this that if someone spent even a little time practicing, they would quickly understand the extent and circumference of the whole earth and how to measure it. However, he didn't think it was wise for someone to dive deep into this subject and confuse themselves with complicated figures, even though he excelled in it. He said he couldn't see the purpose of all those complexities and inventions that consume a person's entire life and distract them from more essential studies.

In like manner he was of opinion that a man should employ some time in astronomy, that he might know by the stars the hour of the night, what day of the month it is, and what season of the year we are in, in order that we might know when to relieve a sentinel in the night, and when it is best to venture out to sea, or undertake a journey, and, in short, that we might know how to do everything in its proper season. He said that all this was easily learnt by conversing with seamen, or with such as go a-hunting by night, or others who profess to know these things; but he dissuaded very much from penetrating farther into this science, as even to know what planets are not in the same declination, to explain all their different motions, to know how far distant they are from the earth, in how long time they make their revolutions, and what are their several influences, for he thought these sciences wholly useless, not that he was ignorant of them himself, but because they take up all our time, and divert us from better employments. In fine, he could not allow of a too curious inquiry into the wonderful workmanship of the Deity in the disposition of the universe, that being a secret which the mind cannot comprehend, and because it is not an action acceptable to God to endeavour to discover what He would hide from us. He held, likewise, that it was dangerous to perplex the mind with these sublime speculations, as Anaxagoras had done, who pretended to be very knowing in them, for in teaching that the sun was the same thing as fire, he does not consider that fire does not dazzle the eyes, but that it is impossible to support the splendour of the sun. He did not reflect, neither, that the sun blackens the sky, which fire does not; nor lastly, that the heat of the sun is necessary to the earth, in order to the production of trees and fruits, but that the heat of fire burns and kills them. When he said, too, that the sun was only a stone set on fire, he did not consider that a stone glitters not in the fire, and cannot last long in it without consuming, whereas the sun lasts always, and is an inexhaustible source of light.

Similarly, he believed that a person should spend some time studying astronomy so they could tell the time at night by the stars, figure out the date, and determine the season of the year. This knowledge would help us know when to relieve a guard at night, when it’s safest to go out to sea, or when to travel. In short, it would help us do everything at the right time. He mentioned that this information can easily be learned by talking to sailors, nighttime hunters, or anyone else who claims to have this knowledge. However, he strongly discouraged delving deeper into this science, like figuring out which planets are not aligned, explaining their various movements, knowing their distance from Earth, how long their orbits take, and their different influences. He thought these studies were completely useless—not because he was ignorant of them, but because they consume all our time and distract us from more important pursuits. Ultimately, he did not approve of excessive curiosity about the marvelous design of the universe, viewing it as a mystery that the mind cannot grasp, and believed it was unacceptable to God to seek knowledge of what He intended to keep hidden from us. He also thought it was dangerous to clutter the mind with these lofty speculations, as Anaxagoras had done, who claimed to be knowledgeable but mistakenly equated the sun with fire. He failed to see that fire doesn’t dazzle our eyes, while the sun’s brilliance is blinding. He did not consider that the sun darkens the sky, unlike fire, and that the sun's warmth is essential for the growth of trees and fruits, whereas fire can burn and destroy them. When he claimed that the sun was just a stone on fire, he overlooked that a stone doesn’t sparkle in fire and cannot endure in it without burning up, while the sun persists eternally as an endless source of light.

Socrates advised, likewise, to learn arithmetic, but not to amuse ourselves with the vain curiosities of that science, having established this rule in all his studies and in all his conferences, never to go beyond what is useful.

Socrates also recommended learning arithmetic, but not to get distracted by the pointless curiosities of that science. He established this principle in all his studies and discussions: never to go beyond what is useful.

He exhorted his friends to take care of their health, and to that purpose to consult with the learned; and to observe, besides, each in his own particular, what meat, what drink, and what exercise is best for him, and how to use them to preserve himself in health. For when a man has thus studied his own constitution, he cannot have a better physician than himself.

He urged his friends to take care of their health and to seek advice from knowledgeable people. He also encouraged each of them to pay attention to what foods, drinks, and exercise work best for them personally, and how to use these to stay healthy. Once a person has understood their own body, there’s no better doctor than themselves.

If any one desired to attempt or to learn things that were above the power or capacity of human nature, he advised him to apply himself to divination; for he who knows by what means the gods generally signify their mind to men, or how it is they used to give them counsel and aid, such a person never fails to obtain from the Deity all that direction and assistance that is necessary for him.

If anyone wanted to try or learn things beyond what human nature can handle, he advised them to focus on divination. Because someone who understands how the gods usually communicate their intentions to people, or how they typically offer guidance and support, will never fail to receive from the Deity all the guidance and help they need.

CHAPTER VIII. BEHAVIOUR OF SOCRATES FROM THE TIME OF HIS CONDEMNATION TO HIS DEATH.—HIS CHARACTER SUMMED UP IN A FEW WORDS.

To conclude: if, because Socrates was condemned to death, any one should believe that he was a liar to say that he had a good demon that guided him, and gave him instructions what he should or should not do, let him consider, in the first place, that he was arrived to such an age that if he had not died when he did, he could not have lived much longer; that by dying when he did he avoided the most toilsome part of life, in which the mind loses much of its vigour; and that in amends for it he discovered to the whole world the greatness of his soul, acquired to himself an immortal glory, by the defence he made before his judges, in behaving himself with a sincerity, courage, and probity that were indeed wonderful, and in receiving his sentence with a patience and resolution of mind never to be equalled; for it is agreed by all that no man ever suffered death with greater constancy than Socrates.

To wrap up: if anyone thinks that Socrates was lying when he said he had a good spirit that guided him and told him what to do, they should first consider that he was already at an age where, had he not died when he did, he wouldn't have lived much longer. By dying when he did, he avoided the hardest part of life, during which the mind loses much of its strength. In exchange, he showed the world the greatness of his character, gaining himself everlasting glory through the defense he made before his judges, displaying a sincerity, bravery, and integrity that were truly remarkable, and he accepted his sentence with a level of patience and determination that can never be matched. It's agreed by all that no one faced death with greater resolve than Socrates.

He lived thirty days after his condemnation, because the Delian feasts happened in that month, and the law forbids to put any man to death till the consecrated vessel that is sent to the Isle of Delos be come back to Athens. During that time his friends, who saw him continually, found no change in him; but that he always retained that tranquillity of mind and agreeableness of temper which before had made all the world admire him. Now, certainly no man can die with greater constancy than this; this is doubtless the most glorious death that can be imagined; but if it be the most glorious, it is the most happy; and if it be the most happy, it is the most acceptable to the Deity.

He lived for thirty days after his sentence because the Delian festivals took place that month, and the law prohibits executing anyone until the sacred vessel sent to the Isle of Delos returns to Athens. During that time, his friends, who visited him regularly, noticed no change in him; he always maintained the same calm demeanor and pleasant personality that had once made everyone admire him. Truly, no one can face death with more composure than he did; undoubtedly, this is the most glorious death imaginable. But if it is the most glorious, then it is also the most blissful; and if it is the most blissful, then it is the most pleasing to the divine.

Hermogenes has told me, that being with him a little after Melitus had accused him, he observed, that he seemed to decline speaking of that affair: from whence he took occasion to tell him that it would not be amiss for him to think of what he should answer in his own justification. To which Socrates replied: “Do you believe I have done anything else all my life than think of it?” And Hermogenes asking him what he meant by saying so? Socrates told him that he had made it the whole business of his life to examine what was just and what unjust; that he had always cherished justice and hated injustice, and that he did not believe there was any better way to justify himself.

Hermogenes told me that shortly after Melitus accused him, he noticed that Socrates seemed reluctant to talk about the matter. This prompted Hermogenes to suggest that it might be helpful for Socrates to consider how he would defend himself. Socrates replied, “Do you really think I've spent my whole life doing anything other than that?” When Hermogenes asked him what he meant, Socrates explained that he had dedicated his life to examining what is right and what is wrong; that he had always valued justice and despised injustice, and he believed there was no better way to defend himself.

Hermogenes said further to him—“Do you not know that judges have often condemned the innocent to death, only because their answers offended them, and that, on the contrary, they have often acquitted the guilty?” “I know it very well,” answered Socrates; “but I assure you, that having set myself to think what I should say to my judges, the demon that advises me dissuaded me from it.” At which Hermogenes seeming surprised, Socrates said to him, “Why are you surprised that this God thinks it better for me to leave this world than to continue longer in it? Sure, you are not ignorant that I have lived as well and as pleasantly as any man, if to live well be, as I take it, to have no concern but for virtue, and if to live pleasantly be to find that we have made some progress in it. Now, I have good reason to believe that this is my happy case, that I have always had a steady regard for virtue, and made progress in it, because I perceive that my mind, at this time, doth not misgive me, nay, I have the sincere testimony of my conscience that I have done my duty; and in this belief I strengthen myself by the conversation I have had with others, and by comparing myself with them. My friends, too, have believed the same thing of me, not because they wish me well, for in that sense every friend would think as much of his friend, but because they thought they advanced in virtue by my conversation.

Hermogenes said to him, “Don’t you know that judges have often sentenced innocent people to death just because their answers annoyed them, and conversely, they have often freed the guilty?” “I’m very aware of that,” Socrates replied. “But I assure you, when I thought about what I should say to my judges, the inner voice that guides me advised against it.” Upon hearing this, Hermogenes looked surprised, and Socrates said to him, “Why are you surprised that this God thinks it’s better for me to leave this world than to stay in it longer? Surely you know that I have lived as well and as pleasantly as anyone, if living well means caring only for virtue, and living pleasantly means seeing progress in it. I have good reason to believe this is true for me; I’ve always maintained a strong focus on virtue and made progress in it. Right now, I feel confident about my mind; in fact, I have the honest testimony of my conscience that I’ve done my duty. I reinforce this belief through conversations with others and by comparing myself to them. My friends have felt the same way about me, not just because they want the best for me, since every friend would feel that way, but because they believed they grew in virtue through our discussions.”

“If I were to live longer, perhaps I should fall into the inconveniences of old age: perhaps my sight should grow dim, my hearing fail me, my judgment become weak, and I should have more trouble to learn, more to retain what I had learnt; perhaps, too, after all, I should find myself incapable of doing the good I had done before. And if, to complete my misery, I should have no sense of my wretchedness, would not life be a burden to me? And, on the other hand, say I had a sense of it, would it not afflict me beyond measure? As things now stand, if I die innocent the shame will fall on those who are the cause of my death, since all sort of iniquity is attended with shame. But who will ever blame me because others have not confessed my innocence, nor done me justice? Past experience lets us see that they who suffer injustice, and they who commit it, leave not a like reputation behind them after their death. And thus, if I die on this occasion, I am most certain that posterity will more honour my memory than theirs who condemn me; for it will be said of me, that I never did any wrong, never gave any ill advice to any man; but that I laboured all my life long to excite to virtue those who frequented me.”

“If I were to live longer, I might have to deal with the difficulties of old age: my sight could go blurry, my hearing might fail, my judgment could weaken, and I’d struggle more to learn and retain what I had learned. I might also find myself unable to do the good I once did. And if, to make my misery worse, I were unaware of my wretchedness, wouldn’t life feel like a burden? On the other hand, if I were aware of it, wouldn’t it torment me endlessly? As things are now, if I die innocent, the shame will fall on those responsible for my death, since all wrongdoing comes with shame. But who will blame me because others haven’t acknowledged my innocence or given me justice? Past experiences show us that those who suffer injustice and those who inflict it don’t leave behind the same kind of reputation after they die. So, if I die in this situation, I’m sure that future generations will honor my memory more than that of those who condemn me; it will be said of me that I never did wrong and never gave anyone bad advice, but that I spent my life encouraging virtue in those around me.”

This was the answer that Socrates gave to Hermogenes, and to several others. In a word, all good men who knew Socrates daily regret his loss to this very hour, reflecting on the advantage and improvement they made in his company.

This was the response that Socrates gave to Hermogenes and several others. In short, all the good people who knew Socrates still mourn his loss to this day, thinking about the benefits and growth they experienced while he was around.

For my own part, having found him to be the man I have described, that is to say, so pious as to do nothing without the advice of the Deity; so just as never to have in the least injured any man, and to have done very signal services to many; so chaste and temperate as never to have preferred delight and pleasure before modesty and honesty; so prudent as never to have mistaken in the discernment of good and evil, and never to have had need of the advice of others, to form a right judgment of either; moreover, most capable to deliberate and resolve in all sorts of affairs, most capable to examine into men, to reprehend them for their vices, and to excite them to virtue; having, I say, found all these perfections in Socrates, I have always esteemed him the most virtuous and most happy of all men; and if any one be not of my opinion, let him take the pains to compare him with other men, and judge of him afterwards.

For my part, having found him to be the person I've described—that is, so devoted that he wouldn't do anything without seeking guidance from God; so fair that he never harmed anyone and offered significant help to many; so pure and moderate that he always chose modesty and integrity over pleasure; so wise that he never confused good and evil, and never needed anyone else's advice to make the right judgment on either; and, moreover, very capable of deliberating and making decisions in all kinds of situations, skilled at understanding people, criticizing their flaws, and encouraging them towards goodness—having found all these qualities in Socrates, I have always considered him the most virtuous and happiest of all men. If anyone disagrees with my view, they should take the time to compare him with others and then form their own judgment.


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